Estes Super Neon

[johnnwwa]

I have this kit and I notice that this kit IS NOT on either JimZ or listed as scanned here. But I do not have the means of scanning the plans to submit to forum. Can I get some help with this before I decide to build it . Would be willing to send plans or anything that would be needed . Just drop me a email or post here. Thanks :)

BAR
JOHn

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I have this kit and I notice that this kit IS NOT on either JimZ or listed as scanned here. But I do not have the means of scanning the plans to submit to forum. Can I get some help with this before I decide to build it . Would be willing to send plans or anything that would be need . Just drop me a email or post here. Thanks :)

BAR
JOHn

Howdy John. What do you need to know?

[johnnwwa]

Howdy John. What do you need to know?

What I need is somone with a scanner, or program to turn plans into PDF file and the time to do the leg work to get this kit posted. Would be willing to measure body tubes , copy decals , or anthing else . Just let me know.

BAR
JOHN

[EchoVictor]

John,

if you can, just trace the fins on a piece of paper. Then use a drawing software to re-create the kit. Here's an example I did up in PowerPoint.

Later,
EV

[CPMcGraw]

I have this kit and I notice that this kit IS NOT on either JimZ or listed as scanned here...

John,

Would you happen to know what year that model was available? Or what the stock number is? I'm looking through the Expanded Kit List from Ye Olde Rocket Shoppe, and I cannot locate this name as a kit. Was this a true "kit", like the classic bagged designs, or was this a RTF rocket with launch pad and controller?

[Arley Davis]

First of, were do you live State and city, maybe someone with a scanner lives close to you. If not do you have a copy store like Kinko’s near you? Make a print of every thing in black and white, Plans, Fin Patterns, any other materials and the Decals in color then send by mail the information to Ye Olde Rocket Shoppe. Just email Scott to see were he wants it mailed to.

This is an actual Estes kit if memory serves me it was a 2-stage rocket but I will not swear to it. The Super Neon kit #2050 came out in 1991.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

What I need is somone with a scanner, or program to turn plans into PDF file and the time to do the leg work to get this kit posted. Would be willing to measure body tubes , copy decals , or anthing else . Just let me know.

BAR
JOHN

I can do the scanning, and I'm sure there's someone on here who can vouch for my "character". I can promise you that you'll get them back once I finish.
Show of hands, guys. Who'd trust ol' Bill with their lives? :cool: Don't all post at once. :D :eek:

[Arley Davis]

I was wrong it was the Super Nova that was a 2-stage rocket that came out in 1989 - 1994 not the Super Neon that came out in 91, put the super Neon with tube fin desine is cool.

[johnnwwa]

John,

Would you happen to know what year that model was available? Or what the stock number is? I'm looking through the Expanded Kit List from Ye Olde Rocket Shoppe, and I cannot locate this name as a kit. Was this a true "kit", like the classic bagged designs, or was this a RTF rocket with launch pad and controller?

Estes Super Neon #2050 This is a true kit picked it on ebay about 8 months ago.

BAR
John :)

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rockets/catalogs/estes91/91est34.html


Cool, but not exactly neon. :confused: I'm thinking Day-Glo paints when the time comes...... :cool:

[CPMcGraw]

Estes Super Neon #2050 This is a true kit picked it on ebay about 8 months ago.

BAR
John :)


Ahhh, I can see clearly now... (Finger wigglin' in my ear... Someone was singin'...)

I missed it earlier. It's showing in RED, so that means no one has it online...

I can do the scanning, and I'm sure there's someone on here who can vouch for my "character".

I can vouch for what Bill said: He IS a character. But like the fifth book in the Hitchhiker's trilogy, he's Mostly Harmless... :D

(Said as the last strap on the white jacket was being buckled down...) :eek: :rolleyes: :D

How's yer medication holdin' out, there, Bill?

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

Ahhh, I can see clearly now... (Finger wigglin' in my ear... Someone was singin'...)

I missed it earlier. It's showing in RED, so that means no one has it online...



I can vouch for what Bill said: He IS a character. But like the fifth book in the Hitchhiker's trilogy, he's Mostly Harmless... :D

(Said as the last strap on the white jacket was being buckled down...) :eek: :rolleyes: :D

How's yer medication holdin' out, there, Bill?

Almost sold out! ;) That last batch should have been enough to hold you a while. :D :eek:

[CPMcGraw]

http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rockets/catalogs/estes91/91est34.html


Cool, but not exactly neon. :confused: I'm thinking Day-Glo paints when the time comes...... :cool:

I wonder how I ever missed THAT model?

Easy enough to build, though...

BT-50, full 18"...
PNC-50Y...
6 - BT-50J tube fins...
BT-20J motor tube...
2 - CR-2050 rings...
1 CR-520 ring...
1 EH-2 engine hook...
12" parachute...
Really guessing here -- 3/32" balsa sheet for the fins, 1/2" wide, two 90-degree right-angles for the tip, 45-degree cut on the root, leading edge looks to be about 1.75"...

Add a 24" length of Kevlar and 24"-36" of elastic shock chord...

Decal looks simple enough to do on clear paper...

I might have to add one of these to the collection... :eek:

[Green Dragon]

[QUOTE=CPMcGraw]I wonder how I ever missed THAT model?

Easy enough to build, though...

BT-50, full 18"...
PNC-50Y...
6 - BT-50J tube fins...
BT-20J motor tube...
2 - CR-2050 rings...
1 CR-520 ring...
1 EH-2 engine hook...
12" parachute...
Really guessing here -- 3/32" balsa sheet for the fins, 1/2" wide, two 90-degree right-angles for the tip, 45-degree cut on the root, leading edge looks to be about 1.75"...
QUOTE]

They Look like either Yankee or Zinger fins to me ( although either of those is not diecut, so maybe not , others ? ,likely to have come from a past kit, as Estes was known to do for thier 3fnc or 4fnc kits .

which brings me to a mini-project of mine, which was making a list of known reused fin patterns / sheets, and reissued designs.

I knwo the 'master list' on YORS has some notes/ comments on some of these, such as the Comet being the old Vigilante, etc.

here's what I have so far, if anyone can comment,update,add to, let me know. could prove interesting / helpful to know what was reused, in case of 'missing fin patterns' etc.

~ AL ( list follows )

Centuri Vector V / Viking (and Estes Viking)

Estes Apache 2 / Centuri Tiger Streak (same kit)

Estes Polaris - Sky Raider

Estes Asteroid Explorer - Spartan mini brute

1991 Blue Streak - 1938 Laser

Estes Reliant - Jammin'

Mini Mean Machine - 1936 Sunbird

Sam 4 (1357)- 2 diecut sheets -(Gamma,Eclipse)

Odyssey (1289) - F61 (1358)

Maxi Icarus (1331) - Mach 2 (1379)

Comet (1368) - Vigilante (1278)

Cyclone (1907) - Marauder (1922)

Yankee Clipper - Cougar (1923)

Sizzler (1906) - Defender (1924)

? Estes Satellite Interceptor - Centuri Spacemaster

? Estes X20 - Centuri Python Fighter

?? Estes Missile Toe goonie bird / Scrambler 2

?? Blue Bird Zero / 1979 clipper


obvious reissues

Estes Optima / Shadow
Broadsword / Super Big Bertha
Scorpion / Mongoose (2 stage)
cold pwr Marauder / Polaris
cold pwr Yankee 5 / Gamma
cold pwr Shark / Stilletto
1991 Zipper / 1991 Blue Streak
Magician / Meteor
Renegade / Long John Silver
Lumina / Jammin

[Ltvscout]

I can do the scanning, and I'm sure there's someone on here who can vouch for my "character". I can promise you that you'll get them back once I finish.
Show of hands, guys. Who'd trust ol' Bill with their lives? :cool: Don't all post at once. :D :eek:
Ya, Bill sure is a character alright!

[CPMcGraw]

...which brings me to a mini-project of mine, which was making a list of known reused fin patterns / sheets, and reissued designs.

I knwo the 'master list' on YORS has some notes/ comments on some of these, such as the Comet being the old Vigilante, etc.


1991 Blue Streak - 1938 Laser

Comet (1368) - Vigilante (1278)


We've tossed this thread around a time or two in the past... :D

Here's some updates for your list...

#1991 Blue Star was also called Zipper in its earlier release.

#1368 Comet - #1278 Vigilante - #1955 Ranger

#1295 Mean Machine - #2029 Raven

#1276 Antares - #1294 Cobra 1500

[EchoVictor]

? Estes X20 - Centuri Python Fighter

They look similar, but don't quite match up. You can see the discussion here;

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=295&highlight=python

Later,
EV

[CPMcGraw]

Here's a quickie profile of the Clipper using the BBZ fins. For those of you who actually built the kit, does this profile look like what you remember the kit to look like? I had never thought about this possibility, probably because the BBZ uses the fins differently...

[Arley Davis]

As is with a lot of kits, they just look similar but are not the same. The Blue Bird Zero is a BT-55 rocket and the clipper is a BT-50 rocket, If you look closely they have different nose cones of course and the fins are similar put not the same.

[Arley Davis]

The Centuri Victor V and the Estes Viking use the same fins put that’s all that is similar with the two rockets.

The Blue Star and the Laser are not exactly the same the fins are different the 1991 Blue Star are made with 3/32” Balsa and the 1938 Laser is made with 1/16” Balsa. They also seam a little different in length.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

#1295 Mean Machine - #2029 Raven



I don't remember this one at all. Guess I'm off to Ninfinger.org. :D

Aah, that explains it. I didn't recognize them as Mean Machine fins because the Raven kit I bought off Ebay WAS LITTLE MORE THAN A BAG OF SPLINTERED AND SMASHED PARTS!!! :eek: Luckily I was able to salvage the nose cone and decal.
I also had this happen with a Rascal and a Big Bertha. (Both of which also use the same fin pattern. :cool: )

[Arley Davis]

The Raven and Mean Machine are not the same kit, the fins maybe the same and they both use the BT-60 body tube, but that’s were the similarity ends. The Raven has an 18MM Motor Mount and the Mean Machine has a 24MM Motor Mount. The Raven has one 18” tube and the Mean Machine has 4 18” tubes. The nose cones are different as will the Raven’s nose cone is a PNC-60RL and the Mean Machine is a PNC-60AH.

[barone]

I wonder how I ever missed THAT model?

Easy enough to build, though...

BT-50, full 18"...
PNC-50Y...
6 - BT-50J tube fins...
BT-20J motor tube...
2 - CR-2050 rings...
1 CR-520 ring...
1 EH-2 engine hook...
12" parachute...
Really guessing here -- 3/32" balsa sheet for the fins, 1/2" wide, two 90-degree right-angles for the tip, 45-degree cut on the root, leading edge looks to be about 1.75"...

Add a 24" length of Kevlar and 24"-36" of elastic shock chord...

Decal looks simple enough to do on clear paper...

I might have to add one of these to the collection... :eek:

Okay....I'm getting lost in this thread...but FWIW, I've got the plans and a built Super Neon. Guess I could dig it out and get all the particulars for you if anyone is interested in cloning it. The fin pattern is on page 2 of the instructions ( 1/16" balsa, LE is 1 & 9/16", width is .75"). Short BT-50s are 3 and 1/8" long. Long BT-50 is 18". Uses an adapter ring (030165) instead of centering rings (which will work just as well). Nose cone PN 072604 with nose cone insert 072605. Decals are a light blue and green. I'm not good at drawing them but I guess this thread's originator has the originals that can be scanned.

Don
NAR 53455

[barone]

The Raven and Mean Machine are not the same kit, the fins maybe the same and they both use the BT-60 body tube, but that’s were the similarity ends. The Raven has an 18MM Motor Mount and the Mean Machine has a 24MM Motor Mount. The Raven has one 18” tube and the Mean Machine has 4 18” tubes. The nose cones are different as will the Raven’s nose cone is a PNC-60RL and the Mean Machine is a PNC-60AH.


Arley.....Greendragon started looking at kits with the same fin patterns, not necessarily the same kits re-kitted under a different name. That's why you're seeing kits being compared to eachother that aren't the same. Just looking at the fin patterns.

Don
NAR 53455

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

The Raven and Mean Machine are not the same kit, the fins maybe the same and they both use the BT-60 body tube, but that’s were the similarity ends. The Raven has an 18MM Motor Mount and the Mean Machine has a 24MM Motor Mount. The Raven has one 18” tube and the Mean Machine has 4 18” tubes. The nose cones are different as will the Raven’s nose cone is a PNC-60RL and the Mean Machine is a PNC-60AH.

:confused:
Ya think? ;)

[Green Dragon]

They look similar, but don't quite match up. You can see the discussion here;

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=295&highlight=python

Later,
EV

I recall that discussion just last week , catalogs looke dsimilar to me, and knowing the crossover reuse o fthe time, ASSumed they matched up.

I'm also assuming that the Zebra II payloader ( which I have 90% done colne of), uses fins from someplace else , due to the 3fnc crossover / reuse for a different kit ?

also, will keep track of the updates as posted, some I knew of, but missed my list (mostly due to already being on YORP estes list, such as the Raven )

the one I;d missed myself ,and was interesting to see was the Cobra 1500 / Antares reuse... I have a set of fins off my old 1500, but wasn;t going to build a clone just yet, since i have the Engage that I've yet to fly.... so maybe Antares would be ok ...

also missed the Ranger due to the cones change, hmm - proves that Estes can,indeed, fool us into thinking it;s a new design, lol... no wonder we have 1232 rockets on the 'to do' list :-)

~ AL

still updating as I find info, and will search for past thread on this :-) , but keep the comments coming :-) , thanks .

[Green Dragon]

The Centuri Victor V and the Estes Viking use the same fins put that’s all that is similar with the two rockets.

The Blue Star and the Laser are not exactly the same the fins are different the 1991 Blue Star are made with 3/32” Balsa and the 1938 Laser is made with 1/16” Balsa. They also seam a little different in length.

The Blue Star / ZIpper is .indeed the same die as the Laser.

din thickness might vary, but the die is the same - I downloaded the fin pattern and checked against my vintage Laser builtup and they match up ( and double checked with the fin from YORP as well )

note on the Blue Star at Jim Z's - http://www.dars.org/jimz/est1991.htm
that the fin grain is witht he long edge, as 'correct' for the Laser, and would now be the trailing edge for the zipper, if retooled for the Blue Streak/Zipper, I'd think they'd turn the fins as 'standard' practice.

anyways... still hunting, lol.... ( maybe I need a life ? ;-) .....

~ AL

[rraeford]

I've read on here somewhere that the Centuri Orion and Taurus used the same fins and pop stand-offs. Can anyone confirm this?

Also the Centuri Centurion and the Centuri/Enerjet Athena look to be the same. Again, can anyone positively confirm this?

And then there's FSI...

Thanks.


rraeford

[rraeford]

One more...

The Centuri Astro-1 and the Estes Vagabond (only came in a starter launch set).

While we're at it. Did the plastic bomb and tank parts from the Centuri fighter jets line get used in the Estes F-61 kit? They look the same to me.

rraeford

[ghrocketman]

I can confirm the Enerjet Athena / Centuri Centurion use the same fins.
I just completed my Athena Clone (complete with body wraps !) and the correct fin for both is exactly the same. Some of the parts on the Athena are shared by the Orion also. The pods (tubes and cones) for the Athena and the Orion are the same; the Orion uses 3 pods, the Athena uses four pods.

[Green Dragon]

One more...

The Centuri Astro-1 and the Estes Vagabond (only came in a starter launch set).

While we're at it. Did the plastic bomb and tank parts from the Centuri fighter jets line get used in the Estes F-61 kit? They look the same to me.

rraeford

as far as I know those are the Centuri parts.

I have partial remains of my vintage F61, but never had any of the Centuri kits, definately look the same, and makes sense since th4e F61 was 'post -Damon-Centuri'

~ AL

[CPMcGraw]

Okay....I'm getting lost in this thread...but FWIW, I've got the plans and a built Super Neon. Guess I could dig it out and get all the particulars for you if anyone is interested in cloning it. The fin pattern is on page 2 of the instructions ( 1/16" balsa, LE is 1 & 9/16", width is .75"). Short BT-50s are 3 and 1/8" long. Long BT-50 is 18". Uses an adapter ring (030165) instead of centering rings (which will work just as well). Nose cone PN 072604 with nose cone insert 072605. Decals are a light blue and green. I'm not good at drawing them but I guess this thread's originator has the originals that can be scanned.

Don
NAR 53455

Don,

Getting lost is an "occupational hazzard" for us, don't cha know? :D

I was just picking out what I thought were recognizable parts from the catalog image. When you do enough of these, the part IDs sorta stick in your mind...

Tube fins are 3.125", eh? OK, that's a new one. New question to anyone reading this thread: Where else did Estes use a BT-50 tube of this length? I doubt they would have ordered (or cut) something as quantity-priced as a body tube just for one design. Possibly a booster body for a two-stager?

1 9/16" x 3/4" x 1/16" balsa sheet fins... OK, I'm not terribly far off on this one... :rolleyes:

BTW -- Ye Olde Rocket Plans will accept scans from anyone who has a good set of plans to work from. Decal scans, too. The plans to this kit are not yet posted anywhere on the web, so we're all eager to get them available.

[CPMcGraw]

I don't remember this one at all. Guess I'm off to Ninfinger.org. :D

Aah, that explains it. I didn't recognize them as Mean Machine fins because the Raven kit I bought off Ebay WAS LITTLE MORE THAN A BAG OF SPLINTERED AND SMASHED PARTS!!! :eek: Luckily I was able to salvage the nose cone and decal.
I also had this happen with a Rascal and a Big Bertha. (Both of which also use the same fin pattern. :cool: )

Uhhh, Bill...

You might want to re-check that Rascal fin pattern...

There's quite a bit of difference between the Rascal and the Bertha. See the attachments...

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

Uhhh, Bill...

You might want to re-check that Rascal fin pattern...

There's quite a bit of difference between the Rascal and the Bertha. See the attachments...

:eek: Coulda sworn that the Rascal was just a Baby Bertha with different decals. Now I have to re-examine my entire lifes philosophy. Could mean some chaos. Sorry in advance for any property damage. ;)

[CPMcGraw]

:eek: Coulda sworn that the Rascal was just a Baby Bertha with different decals. Now I have to re-examine my entire lifes philosophy. Could mean some chaos. Sorry in advance for any property damage. ;)

Oh, well, you can take some solace that I used a Baby Bertha kit to build my Rascal clone, so it's only a matter of the fins being a bit different. And yet, they are similar...

Here's another one for the "Getting the most mileage from one idea" camp...

The decals for the Rascal are a variation of those found in the Estes Hercules #1377...

[rraeford]

How did you determine the body tube lengths and all? Are there plans around? The ones that I have are incomplete. Just what's on JimZ's site.

rraeford

[CPMcGraw]

How did you determine the body tube lengths and all? Are there plans around? The ones that I have are incomplete. Just what's on JimZ's site.

rraeford

For the Super Neon you mean?

Start with known dimensions of certain components. The nose cone, for example, is a known value -- PNC-50Y, 4.375" from the tip to the body tube junction.

Next, take the full length as stated in the catalog, 22.125", and subtract the nose cone to get 17.75". Now, understand that Estes (and Centuri) catalogs are notoriously out-of-whack when it comes to some of these lengths, and you realize that we are talking about a full 18" length of BT-50.

On the tube fins, this one I missed because I didn't take into account the possibility of an odd-ball tube being used. One of the stock tube lengths is 2.75", which Estes used as a motor tube for the D motors, and as a booster body tube for the Comanche-3, Hercules, etc... This is the BT-50J. The BT-20 equivalent is the BT-20J, and it is also 2.75" in length.

The fin dimensions were totally eye-ball guessing, and was wrong. The suggestion that they are actually the same fins as the Eclipse makes more sense. Reuse of a fin pattern is how you get the mileage...

[barone]

BTW -- Ye Olde Rocket Plans will accept scans from anyone who has a good set of plans to work from. Decal scans, too. The plans to this kit are not yet posted anywhere on the web, so we're all eager to get them available.

Craig,

Just uploaded the plans I had to the YORP FTP. Don't have the decals (except what's on the rocket and I'm not really sure how well those would scan :rolleyes: ).

Don
NAR 53455

[CenturiGuy]

I'm sure there's someone on here who can vouch for my "character".
Indeed. Bill's one of the biggest characters I know. ;) :D :eek:


Show of hands, guys. Who'd trust ol' Bill with their lives? :cool:
(thinking long and hard) Hmm... Lessee, I started with *9* lives, so how many do I have left?

[FADE OUT on Jay counting on fingers and toes, finally giving up] :D

[rraeford]

Uhm, I guess I should have been more specific. I was asking about the Enerjet Athena.

rraeford

[CPMcGraw]

Craig,

Just uploaded the plans I had to the YORP FTP. Don't have the decals (except what's on the rocket and I'm not really sure how well those would scan :rolleyes: ).

Don
NAR 53455

Great! That's one more plan locked down. Someone else will provide the decal image eventually.

Scott and I maintain two Kit Lists that track which kits are missing. I hope one day to see our lists with absolutely NO red entries for actual kits.

[CPMcGraw]

Uhm, I guess I should have been more specific. I was asking about the Enerjet Athena.

rraeford

Generally, the same procedure. You have to have a parts list showing the dimensions of the parts Centuri used, and you start by eliminating from the overall length those parts you can identify. With Estes parts, it's the 741 Custom Parts Catalog that we use for many items, but with Centuri we have to fall back on catalog parts pages to match up with. Not always easy with Centuri, because their parts changed dimensions over their lifetimes a bit more than did Estes parts.

Fortunately for us today, we have the SEMROC parts which match most (if not all) of the original Centuri balsa parts, and Moldin' Oldies for many of the plastic parts; and for the Estes balsa parts, we have BMS.

[rraeford]

Quote:
I can confirm the Enerjet Athena / Centuri Centurion use the same fins.
I just completed my Athena Clone (complete with body wraps !) and the correct fin for both is exactly the same. Some of the parts on the Athena are shared by the Orion also. The pods (tubes and cones) for the Athena and the Orion are the same; the Orion uses 3 pods, the Athena uses four pods.

Okay, now I'm going to be REALLY specific.

ghrocketman,

How did you determine the body tube lengths and all of the Enerjet Athena? Are there plans around? Can you tell me where to find them or can you send them to me?

rraeford

P.S. Sorry Craig, I'm a bit new to posting here and thought my reply would queue up right after the comments about the Athena. Thanks for the info though.

[ghrocketman]

rraeford:
I determined the tube-lengths as shown in the 1972 Enerjet Catalog. They are right there, I'll send you the link to the page on Ninfinger !
The Athena is on the right page with all the dimensions on a drawing.
I bought all my parts except the nose cone from Semroc (including laser-cut Centurion fins).
I got the cone from Moldin' Oldies (NC231); I see Carl at Semroc has a parts number for this one in Balsa on his site, but it is not available yet; the cone is tricky to find on the Semroc site; you have to got to the "Vote for Classics" (upper right box on the home page) then click on the Athena button on the left when the kit shows up at the top of the voting list; then a parts list shows up !

Enerjet Catalog page:
http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rockets/catalogs/enerjet72/72ejet12.html

:cool:

Semroc Athena parts list page:
http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts/ClassicParts.asp?ID=561

note: Carl's chute size on his parts list is wrong; the original Athena used a 24" Nylon/Silk chute NOT an 18"; this is shown in the Enerjet 1972 catalog; my clone uses a 24" neon-yellow chute.
:D

[rraeford]

Thanks. As far as the tube lengths are concerned...d'oh! They've been there the whole time right in fromt of me! As Bugs Bunny would say, “What a maroon!”

As to the parts list, Carl must be adding these in from time to time because I looked there the other day and didn't see it.

Of course, having not seen the dimensions of the Athena in the Enerjet catalog all thin time might make one suspicious of my powers of observation.

rraeford

[Arley Davis]

That same Diagram for the Athena is on JimZ’s web site and it can be printed of his site.

http://www.dars.org/jimz/enerjet/ke-5e.tif

[johnnwwa]

I wonder how I ever missed THAT model?

Easy enough to build, though...

BT-50, full 18"...
PNC-50Y...
6 - BT-50J tube fins...
BT-20J motor tube...
2 - CR-2050 rings...
1 CR-520 ring...
1 EH-2 engine hook...
12" parachute...
Really guessing here -- 3/32" balsa sheet for the fins, 1/2" wide, two 90-degree right-angles for the tip, 45-degree cut on the root, leading edge looks to be about 1.75"...

Add a 24" length of Kevlar and 24"-36" of elastic shock chord...

Decal looks simple enough to do on clear paper...

I might have to add one of these to the collection... :eek:
"Really Gussing Here" Your right ... good guess
Fins are 1/16" balsa
Root edge 1"
Trailing edge 15/16"
90 degree cut 3/4"
Leading edge 1 9/16"
Close but no cigar .
I plan to send Plans ,fins decals etc. to Bill this week if I get time.

BAR
JOhn