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A Fish Named Wallyum
03-05-2006, 06:55 PM
... but you can read about my Saturday disaster near the end of this thread.
http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18520
Earlier today I finished up the review that I started over two years ago. The whole experience has left a bad taste in my mouth. (Not to mention the smoke in my lungs.)

Chas Russell
03-05-2006, 07:31 PM
Hello Bill, I'm listening....

Many Moon ago, while stationed in Sacramento, CA (or as the SF Dj's called it, Sacratomato - think agriculture), I would fly at a field in Davis, CA that was actually a former sewage settling pond, since filled in with dirt. A lot of reeds grew there. I modified a plastic shuttle orbiter for rear-ejection from a plan by George Gassaway. Set it up at the desired angle required for a "verticle" boost and it pranged, the ejection charge setting fire to said reeds. This was in the late '70s and pre-cell phones, so one of the folks had to drive out from the levees and call the fire department. They were cool about it, except for our disturbing their "marguritas by the pool".
My only baptism by fire.

Then there was the skidmark at the NSL 2004? where I got to do the 200 yard dash with a fire extinguisher...

Here to help.

Chas
NAR 9790

SEL
03-06-2006, 12:07 AM
... but you can read about my Saturday disaster near the end of this thread.
http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18520
Earlier today I finished up the review that I started over two years ago. The whole experience has left a bad taste in my mouth. (Not to mention the smoke in my lungs.)


Ouch!! #3 and 4 say it all....

Sean

A Fish Named Wallyum
03-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Ouch!! #3 and 4 say it all....

Sean


Yeah. Depending on how this turns out, it could be my rocketry swan song. I'm not sure if I'll be fined or charged with a squad run, but either is likely to spell the end for this hobby for me. I'm not in a great frame of mind at the moment.

Nuke Rocketeer
03-06-2006, 08:42 AM
You've got my sympathies Bill, but you'll survive and hopefully the local busybodies will be too busy going after speeders, murderers, deliquent taxpayers, and rapists to bother with hitting on you guys.

Back in the '80's I was launching an egglofter at either a Ft. Worth or a Dallas contest using an E60. (I think it was in Dallas) The field had a lot of tall dry grass, just perfect for fires. The E60 lit perfectly and catoed ~15 ft off the launch rod. Needless to say, there was a lot of scrambling to put out the 15+ fires started using feet, a shovel , and the club's two fire extinguishers. I think Chas was there that day too. There were several E60 catoes, but mine was the only one that started a fire.

Joe W

ghrocketman
03-06-2006, 09:29 AM
At LEAST 2 out of every 3 FSI E60's I tried to fly in the past CATOed !

dwmzmm
03-06-2006, 02:58 PM
Hello Bill, I'm listening....

Then there was the skidmark at the NSL 2004? where I got to do the 200 yard dash with a fire extinguisher...

Here to help.

Chas
NAR 9790

So, you were one of several that ran after that fire at NSL - 2004?! Then I might have a pic
of you; took a series of pics following that Skidmark launch showing the aftermath -- on the
ground and in the air.

And, Bill, DON'T let this incident cause you to quit. I can relate a personal experience: Back in
1969 or early 1970, me and my cousins were launching some model rockets from our backyard there in Natchitoches, LA (we had a very large, open field at the time, suitable for
A & some B motors). I used the Estes electro launch controller system hooked up to several
six volt batteries for power. When one of my rockets (an Estes Alpha) drifted across the
street into a neighbor's back yard, we, of course, all ran toward to assist in the recovery.
Upon returning to the "launch site," we discover (to our horror) that most of the back yard
to our house was charred! Lucky for me, since my uncle was also nearby, he caught the
fire in time to use the water hose to put out the flames before the whole place could go up
in flames. Come to discover that hooking up the extra six volt batteries was too much for
the wiring to the launch controller, and that's how the fire started. I was still in my infancy
days in rocketry then (started in the summer of 1969) and that was a lesson that I've never
forgotten.

SEL
03-06-2006, 05:28 PM
Yeah. Depending on how this turns out, it could be my rocketry swan song. I'm not sure if I'll be fined or charged with a squad run, but either is likely to spell the end for this hobby for me. I'm not in a great frame of mind at the moment.

Awww, Bill, it was an accident. It sounds like you did every thing right - no Safety Code violations. These things happen.
My brother and I were flying 10 years or so ago. We went running after a rocket (FSI Sprint, I think) leaving my sister to keep an eye on things back at the pad. We had our walkie-talkies with us, and I heard my sister trying to call us over the walkie, but she kept laughing uncontrollably. Finally, in between gasps of uninteligible babble, I heard the word "fire!". I ran back to where I could see her, and sure enough, there was about a 10 foot circle of burned grass around the launch pad. Fortunately, it was not too windy and there wasn't much that could burn, and my brother and I got back and put the fire out. The only serious damage was a melted leg on my porta-pad (the marroon one) and the wires to the controller were toasted pretty well. My sister thought that was hilarious :rolleyes:
Apparently, a piece of igniter wire stayed hot enough to light some of the grass.

Sean

A Fish Named Wallyum
03-06-2006, 06:00 PM
Awww, Bill, it was an accident. It sounds like you did every thing right - no Safety Code violations. These things happen.
My brother and I were flying 10 years or so ago. We went running after a rocket (FSI Sprint, I think) leaving my sister to keep an eye on things back at the pad. We had our walkie-talkies with us, and I heard my sister trying to call us over the walkie, but she kept laughing uncontrollably. Finally, in between gasps of uninteligible babble, I heard the word "fire!". I ran back to where I could see her, and sure enough, there was about a 10 foot circle of burned grass around the launch pad. Fortunately, it was not too windy and there wasn't much that could burn, and my brother and I got back and put the fire out. The only serious damage was a melted leg on my porta-pad (the marroon one) and the wires to the controller were toasted pretty well. My sister thought that was hilarious :rolleyes:
Apparently, a piece of igniter wire stayed hot enough to light some of the grass.

Sean

I know I did things by the book, but that won't pay the fine/fee if it shows up. I don't mind laying out cash for the hobby, but I can't justify something like this. The whole fiasco has left a taste in my mouth that likens to a stable floor. Maybe I need to take a break.

dwmzmm
03-06-2006, 08:40 PM
I know I did things by the book, but that won't pay the fine/fee if it shows up. I don't mind laying out cash for the hobby, but I can't justify something like this. The whole fiasco has left a taste in my mouth that likens to a stable floor. Maybe I need to take a break.


Yeah, take a break; maybe build (or finish) those rockets you got started on but just haven't
been able to complete.

At least, you know that burnt grass will grow back even better than it was before (our backyard did!!). Too bad this isn't true with our hair...

PaulK
03-06-2006, 11:18 PM
Yeah. Depending on how this turns out, it could be my rocketry swan song. I'm not sure if I'll be fined or charged with a squad run, but either is likely to spell the end for this hobby for me. I'm not in a great frame of mind at the moment.

Different story, but same crummy feeling when I launched my vintage '75 Cherokee-D last summer on a D12-7 and lost it. Completely my fault, since it was too windy for a chute, but I felt terrible for a while. So chill for a few days and think about what you want to work on next. I felt much better after building 2 clones a few weeks later.


-Paul

Nuke Rocketeer
03-07-2006, 08:46 AM
At least, you know that burnt grass will grow back even better than it was before (our backyard did!!). Too bad this isn't true with our hair...

Yuckkkkk! The smell of burning hair just gags me thinking about it! But maybe burning followed by heavy fertilization?????

BTW...conditions permitting, I burn part of my lawn each spring just before it warms up. It pisses off the wife as the dogs/kids track in ash, but it does make the grass grow back much better.

A Fish Named Wallyum
03-07-2006, 02:35 PM
Yuckkkkk! The smell of burning hair just gags me thinking about it! But maybe burning followed by heavy fertilization?????

BTW...conditions permitting, I burn part of my lawn each spring just before it warms up. It pisses off the wife as the dogs/kids track in ash, but it does make the grass grow back much better.

If you need to borrow my Bomarc for this years burn-off, it's available. ;)

Nuke Rocketeer
03-07-2006, 04:34 PM
If you need to borrow my Bomarc for this years burn-off, it's available. ;)

Hmmmmmm..........maybe..............

Nah, I need to make it a controlled burn. Next door to use is a heavily wooded tract that has not burned in 60 years. Way too full of combustible materials.

A Fish Named Wallyum
03-07-2006, 09:31 PM
Ouch!! #3 and 4 say it all....

Sean

Actually, picture #4 says "I guess this means I'm not your lucky launch jacket anymore?"
;)

tbzep
03-07-2006, 09:52 PM
Yeah. Depending on how this turns out, it could be my rocketry swan song. I'm not sure if I'll be fined or charged with a squad run, but either is likely to spell the end for this hobby for me. I'm not in a great frame of mind at the moment.

I'm on a paid city fire dept. and a rural volunteer dept. We would not have fined you or charged you anything. KY may be different, but I hope not...

If you lived here and you were purposely burning something without a permit or during a "no burn" period and it got away from you, that's the time for fines. If the truck that came out was from a rural volunteer fire dept., they won't likely charge you a fee. I'm just going by what I have in my area.

A Fish Named Wallyum
03-07-2006, 09:58 PM
I'm on a paid city fire dept. and a rural volunteer dept. We would not have fined you or charged you anything. KY may be different, but I hope not...

If you lived here and you were purposely burning something without a permit or during a "no burn" period and it got away from you, that's the time for fines. If the truck that came out was from a rural volunteer fire dept., they won't likely charge you a fee. I'm just going by what I have in my area.

This was in Ohio. I'm not sure if West Chester is a paid or volunteer force. Nice guys. Did I mention that I gained a whole new appreciation for what you do? I was exhausted, couldn't lift my arm above my shoulder, and had a hacking cough until today from the little bit of smoke I took in. I can't even imagine fighting a real fire.

A Fish Named Wallyum
04-04-2006, 01:35 AM
At least, you know that burnt grass will grow back even better than it was before (our backyard did!!). Too bad this isn't true with our hair...

You set fire to your hair?
(Sorry. I was a little distracted when you originally posted this. I didn't notice the obvious straight line. ;) :D )

A Fish Named Wallyum
04-04-2006, 01:41 AM
This whole incident has been bothering me lately, so tonight I went out to the garage and dug up the headless corpse of the Empire Bomarc. Since this one was a replacement for an earlier, imcomplete kit, I still had some of the parts laying around from the first one, including the nose cone. (This cone is the same one that comes with the Big Dawg and assorted other kits.) This Saturday is another Quark launch, so I'm going to dig up everything I can on Bomarc trimming between now and then and try to get this b!%$# flying. This time it'll be a B6-4 flight and with the rains we've had of late, I shouldn't have any fire concerns. :mad:

duobob
04-06-2006, 12:47 PM
Welcome back Bill
Glad to hear your back in the saddle again! :D Now get to work ont that Bomarc! :p
If you get fined we can take up a collection to help you out. ( it could happen to any of us )

Royatl
04-08-2006, 02:07 AM
I know I did things by the book, but that won't pay the fine/fee if it shows up. I don't mind laying out cash for the hobby, but I can't justify something like this. The whole fiasco has left a taste in my mouth that likens to a stable floor. Maybe I need to take a break.

Was there a fine after the fire at NARAM? Or was that OK cause it wasn't on one of the soccer fields?

A Fish Named Wallyum
04-08-2006, 09:52 AM
Was there a fine after the fire at NARAM? Or was that OK cause it wasn't on one of the soccer fields?

I'm not sure. I could ask, but it's kind of like poking at a barely closed wound. My fire wasn't on a soccer field either, and I have yet to hear anything about a fine. (Knock wood.) :rolleyes: