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ghrocketman
11-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Here's a GOOD one....
Jest needs a 'lil kleenin' up.... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-NASA-MOON-ROCKET-/380284352553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ab6b829

Doug Sams
11-04-2010, 12:20 PM
Here's a GOOD one....
Jest needs a 'lil kleenin' up.... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-NASA-MOON-ROCKET-/380284352553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ab6b829Oh, that's a dandy! :)

It's got a lot of wear and tear on it now so it's kinda hard to tell, but it mighta been a well built bird at one time.

Doug

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Earl
11-04-2010, 12:22 PM
Here's a GOOD one....
Jest needs a 'lil kleenin' up.... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-NASA-MOON-ROCKET-/380284352553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ab6b829


Based on the age of this one, I'd say this is actually an original Centuri Saturn as opposed to the later Estes re-release of same.

Besides the age, the metallic paper wrap around the service module was specific to the Centuri version.

Earl

jeffyjeep
11-04-2010, 12:34 PM
It looks like it was in a fire.

It looks like it WAS the fire.

jdbectec
11-04-2010, 12:48 PM
Based on the age of this one, I'd say this is actually an original Centuri Saturn as opposed to the later Estes re-release of same.

Besides the age, the metallic paper wrap around the service module was specific to the Centuri version.

Earl

I agree, dual engine mount is a giveaway too! It looks better than the one I built in the 70's in eighth grade. Held up a little better too! :chuckle:

jeffyjeep
11-04-2010, 01:24 PM
But seriously. Is it worth $25?

gpoehlein
11-04-2010, 01:41 PM
But seriously. Is it worth $25?

Heck, maybe a couple of people will get into a bidding war and it'll go over $100! Hey, it COULD happen - maybe in a Bizarro alternate reality where old, beat up dirty built rockets are worth more than a pristine MIB kit!!! :p

Greg

jdbectec
11-04-2010, 01:48 PM
But seriously. Is it worth $25?


Not to me.

cas2047
11-04-2010, 02:47 PM
That's very sad... RIP! :(

ghrocketman
11-04-2010, 03:15 PM
Yep, my mistake; it is a Centuri 1/100 S1B.
The Estes version of this kit was single 24mm whereas the Centuri was dual 18mm.
Bet a nice one would fly really well on a pair of old Cox D8-3's and even better on Aerotech D10's or D21's.

Regardless, that thing is a beat-up TURD that has obviously lived a VERY hard life.
I would not pay 25 CENTS for it let alone 25 dollars !

Doug Sams
11-04-2010, 03:23 PM
Yep, my mistake; it is a Centuri 1/100 S1B.
The Estes version of this kit was single 24mm whereas the Centuri was dual 18mm.I have an unbuilt 1/100 S1B. I think it's Estes, but I think it's dual 18mm. (I need to check for sure.)

That said, my plan has always been to set it up as a 4- or 8-motor cluster, to make it more authentic. I'm thinking either 4x18 or 8x13mm or 4x18+4x13, in the same pattern as a real 1B. But that will add a lot of weight, which adds further complexity.

Doug...thinking out loud...

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mojo1986
11-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Call me sentimental, but I often buy these basket cases as a challenge to restore to their original glory.

Joe

jdbectec
11-04-2010, 03:28 PM
The same seller also has this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-ROCKET-USAF-US-Air-Force-/160500726220?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255e96b9cc

That looks flyable, and does bear a resemblance to my original

ghrocketman
11-04-2010, 03:33 PM
That Interceptor is Gawd-Awful as well.
Fins look like they were eyeball-alignment-attached by someone that has less than acceptable eyesight for sure.
What a Hashi-Moto MESS !

ghrocketman
11-04-2010, 03:37 PM
The Estes issued 1/100 kit never offered a 2x18mm cluster option, whereas the Centuri ONLY offered that configuration.
Centuri did offer a separate single 29mm mount conversion kit to fly with Enerjet E and F engines in the early 70's.

jeffyjeep
11-04-2010, 03:40 PM
I wonder why they're so brown. I hope it's mildew.

jdbectec
11-04-2010, 03:58 PM
That Interceptor is Gawd-Awful as well.
Fins look like they were eyeball-alignment-attached by someone that has less than acceptable eyesight for sure.
What a Hashi-Moto MESS !


Well thanks! I said it looked like mine! :chuckle:

jdbectec
11-04-2010, 03:59 PM
I wonder why they're so brown. I hope it's mildew.


Dirt and age I assume, maybe nicotine, it happens to guitars! :)

tbzep
11-04-2010, 05:10 PM
Definitely a Centuri. It's possible (but doubtful) somebody could modify motor mounts or cut their own service module wraps, but that's a Centuri Apollo capsule, no doubt about it.

I wouldn't knock the build quality either. It's not bad for a kid or even a fairly skilled person without much experience in masking for paint. I would knock his storage skills, though. :eek: :p

I tried to contact the seller not long after he posted the auction to tell him it was a Centuri kit but got no reply. Maybe something happened within Ebay's communication system. :confused:

tbzep
11-04-2010, 05:15 PM
Dirt and age I assume, maybe nicotine, it happens to guitars! :) And teeth. :eek:

jharding58
11-04-2010, 05:48 PM
But when was an S1-b a Moon rocket?

tbzep
11-04-2010, 06:38 PM
But when was an S1-b a Moon rocket?

It's second stage was. ;)

jeffyjeep
11-04-2010, 06:50 PM
And teeth. :eek:
And piano keys! Eight to the bar, Daddyo! ;)

Scott6060842
11-04-2010, 08:58 PM
Ha. When these first came out they were listed without pictures or much of a description. I threw them into my watch list thinking I might take a gamble on the US Airforce rocket hoping it might be a mint citation bomarc or something. They WERE coming from a museum and all. Sure glad he got around to posting the pictures.

SEL
11-04-2010, 09:33 PM
Here's a GOOD one....
Jest needs a 'lil kleenin' up.... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-NASA-MOON-ROCKET-/380284352553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ab6b829

A little long-in-the-tooth, but then again aren't we all?

S.

dlazarus6660
11-07-2010, 09:14 AM
Anyone planning on bidding on these rockets? :o
I would IF the bidding started at $9.95 or $9.99 :rolleyes:

Randy
11-07-2010, 09:46 AM
It might be kind of fun rehabing something like this but when the minimum price is $24.99 and $8 to ship???

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

MarkB.
11-15-2010, 11:50 PM
O.K. guys,

I bought it. I have bought other models for rehab in the past: a Maxi-V2 and a Maxi Honest John come to mind. The V-2 is coming out great; the Honest John went in the trash (I saved the nose). I don't mind rebuilding so the opportunity to pick up a 1/100 Saturn 1b for $25 when I could spend ten times that on an unbuilt kit seemed like a good gamble.

So what did I get? The pundits were right -- its a Centuri 1b. The 24" and 16" Centuri parachutes were still rolled up inside and in good condition. The LM cover is caved in and needs replacing as is and does the service module; two thrusters are missing; The LES is missing. The BT-80 S-IVb is in good shape and complete but is badly yellowed.

On the lower stage, one of the tubes is dented, one has rodent gnawings and of course, it's missing six fins and the lower launch lug. The lower plastic wrap is missing chunks here and there because of tramatic removal of the six fins.

Interally the tube which transfers the gasses from the cluster to the parachute section is badly damaged and unwound and will need replacing. I have no idea what size tubing this is as it did not match up with anything in my building area.

Is it rebuildable? Yes -- absolutely! I'm gonna need some new decals and some BT-52 plus some time. I have already carefully removed the BT-80 from the lower body and pried the capsule (and its lead weight) off. It will not be easy but unless something unforseen happens, this will fly again . . . but only after I finish building the R-7s for April.

I may put a rebuild thread in the scale section.

Royatl
11-16-2010, 01:48 AM
Here's a GOOD one....
Jest needs a 'lil kleenin' up.... ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ESTES-FLYING-MODEL-NASA-MOON-ROCKET-/380284352553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ab6b829


That's actually a Centuri kit (note the two 18mm mounts, and the chrome wrap around the SM)

{edit} yea, I need to read the whole thread before replying!

Scott6060842
11-16-2010, 12:48 PM
Anyone planning on bidding on these rockets? :o
I would IF the bidding started at $9.95 or $9.99 :rolleyes:

160507234527

Second chance ...

The Interceptor has been relisted with a new and improved price of only $9.99. :)

ghrocketman
11-16-2010, 12:52 PM
Looks like WAAAAYYYYY more work to restore that S1B than just opening the wallet and paying ~$100-125 for an Estes re-issue NIB off ebay and just building new. At least I'd rather start with something pristine and build it MY way than trying to restore a POS some hack assembled into a HASHIMOTO MESS !

As far as that interceptor goes, the best thing for it would be to launch on an Aerotech 18mm D10W with the ejection charge removed.

mojo1986
11-16-2010, 02:30 PM
O.K. guys,

I bought it. I have bought other models for rehab in the past: a Maxi-V2 and a Maxi Honest John come to mind. The V-2 is coming out great; the Honest John went in the trash (I saved the nose). I don't mind rebuilding so the opportunity to pick up a 1/100 Saturn 1b for $25 when I could spend ten times that on an unbuilt kit seemed like a good gamble.

Is it rebuildable? Yes -- absolutely! I'm gonna need some new decals and some BT-52 plus some time. I have already carefully removed the BT-80 from the lower body and pried the capsule (and its lead weight) off. It will not be easy but unless something unforseen happens, this will fly again . . . but only after I finish building the R-7s for April.

I may put a rebuild thread in the scale section.

Kudos to you, Mark! Hope to see photos of the restoration when you have time to get to it.

Joe

jamjammer53150
11-16-2010, 02:45 PM
Good for you , i like ReHab work , i have gotten several "Partially built" scale models from Ebay , and 1-2 of them have actually won model shows .
on another note , I have an honest john maxi missing the nose . Someone built it and used wood fins , so I hould either send you the tail or you should send me the nose

cas2047
11-16-2010, 04:42 PM
Yes good luck with the rebuild Mark! It sounds very interesting. If you get a chance please post some progress updates.

I really like doing rebuilds myself. I find it very satisfying to fix something that someone else might have given up as a lost cause.

Randy
11-16-2010, 07:48 PM
O.K. guys, I may put a rebuild thread in the scale section.

Sounds like fun to me. I've resurrected a couple that most people would have trashed. Make sure you get a few photos of your work to post with the rebuild thread.

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

Randy
11-16-2010, 07:52 PM
[QUOTE=Randy]Sounds like fun to me. I've resurrected a couple that most people would have trashed. Make sure you get a few photos of your work to post with the rebuild thread.

Whoops, almost for got the photos...

Randy
www.vernarockets.com

MarkB.
11-19-2010, 09:44 AM
Guys,

I put a rebuild thread in the Scale section.

For JamJammer - used a TLP Lance kit to make a new M-50 Booster for my Honest John nose. I never finished it. Maybe I'll move it back up the queue.