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CPMcGraw
05-05-2006, 11:52 PM
This area of the forum seemed like the best place to start this thread, so if it's not, maybe it will find the appropriate place on its own...:rolleyes:

The title of this thread is a "theft" of the Capital One commercials (What's In Your Wallet?). I know most of us here are builders, and our sickness is the proverbial "Just one more, I'll stop after this one, I promise!". And, it's always "just one more" after that, ad nauseum...

We're addicted...

What I want everyone to 'fess up to is just how bad your addiction is. Just how sick a puppy are you?

As part of this deep-soul-cleaning, I intend to start this session with the attached zipped HTML file listing the bulk of my rocketry sins in detail. It shows how many I have in the collection, and in what condition they're in. Many have been left this way for a long time, patiently waiting their turn in the queue to be finished.

Be sympathetic...:o :D

(Update) The attached file had some corruption, but it should be repaired now. If you cannot read the page after opening the zip, let me know...

Tau Zero
05-06-2006, 12:05 AM
We're addicted...

What I want everyone to 'fess up to is just how bad your addiction is. Just how sick a puppy are you?

[SNIP] Be sympathetic...:o :DME: "Hi, my name's Jay..."

GROUP: "Hi, Jay."

ME AGAIN: "...And I'd just like to admit that I have about 10 boxes of parts from Semroc in my model rocketry stash. :o :D Oh, sure I've got some Estes stuff, but it's mostly for kitbashing.

And for Out Of Production stuff, I've got a 'Blast from the Past Rocketry' M-10, a NASA Space Shuttle, and an Omega that I haven't touched in years. :(

But then I've got that way cool Shrox Icarus that has about a million basswood fins that need to be sanded so I can put the whole thing together." :rolleyes: :eek: :cool:

(LOOKS AROUND THE ROOM) "That's it for me. Who's next?"

EchoVictor
05-06-2006, 08:25 AM
All right, my turn....

Pre-BAR stuff is here;

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=181

Post-BAR stuff is here;

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=813

Recently acquired but still unbuilt are;

Estes Starship Nova, X-Wing, Outlander, Night Wing, Menace. Load Star
Semroc SST Shuttle
Sunward Maverick

Later,
EV

flygrimm
05-06-2006, 12:09 PM
OK, my turn

unbuilt kits: Semroc Mars Lander, Estes Gemini Titan, Estes Titan IIIC, Estes Outlander, Estes Saturn V

partially built: Estes V-2 (the one about 15" tall), Estes Mercury Redstone capsul (don't know where the rest of it is), rebuilding Estes mini X-ray (engine blew out the side the other day while my son and I were flying in the back yard, just needs some paint)

probably some other stuff down there as well.

Stuart

snuggles
05-06-2006, 12:56 PM
My collection is all over my basement. I have piles and piles of kits. I keep telling my wife that when I tip over, she is going to have a HELL of a sale.
Let's see...... off the top of my head.
PDR Gemini Titan(almost done)
Estes X wing
swing wing crusader
omloid
2 old Estes scramblers(built clustered)
Astron Omega with Cineroc. (camera inop, dummy nosecone)
Camroc, (don't know if it works)
old Estes Interceptor(needs a little TLC)
2 or 3 mini berthas
Old plastic X-15 and Vampire) mini motors
2 Saros, (built, need repainting and new shock cords)
More to come
Mark T

marslndr
05-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Well lets see,

Built:

Mach 10 clone
2 birdie clones
BFTP Centuri space shuttle
Estes DOM space shuttle
Orbital transport
Fatboy
Mercury/redstone
Spaceship one
Flying jenny
3/4 Flying Jenny
Quest shuttle Intrepid
Quest X-15
Quest X-30
Semroc cc spaceplane
Fliskits Triskelion
Kitbash SST buissnes jet


In Progress:
Semroc SST shuttle 90%
Outlander 60%
Marslander clone 75%
Gemini/X-20 kitbash
Mini Marslander
3 originals


Not started:
Fliskits Stingray
Fliskits Tumbleweed
Semroc Marslander
Semroc X-21
Thrustline Sprite
Thrustline Gyroc
Estes Argossy
Gemini DC
Big daddy
Masters series Spaceshuttle
Startrek Enterprise
StarTrek Klingon
2 outlanders
Deep space Transport
Renegade


Thats all I remember now, I'm sure I missed some.

Wow I have a problem!

Mark

Phred
05-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Wow... this is sobering...

Kits to build: I stopped counting after a while... over 120

Kits in collection, never to build: 52. Include all boxed ESTES Citation kits except the Quasar. and a whole pile of Alphas from 1971-present.

Built rockets: approx 125

Over a dozen semi-built, 1/2 painted projects...

Motors in collection. Last count was 524 , I have added at least another 50 since then... Inlcudes ESTES, Centuri, AVI, MRI, MPC, Aerotech, Ricketflite, Enerjet, Mini Max, NCR, Vulcan, Apogee, FSI, Canaroc, and yes, even USR.

Motors to launch: I have a xerox box full of 18mm ESTES motors in the package, approx 30 18mm and 24mm AP motors, approx 75 13m motors, 24 24mm motors.

Parts: ESTES: Xerox box full of plasric cones, 1/2 Xerox box full of balsa and BMS Balsa cones, 40 36" tubes, many others of smaller length, 100+ centering rings, 43 sheets of balsa, two old ESTES parts assortment boxes full of parachutes, a plastic jug full of various windings of kevlar.... And OTHER JUNK.....

I am such a pack rat.

CPMcGraw
05-06-2006, 09:10 PM
Wow... this is sobering...

Kits to build: I stopped counting after a while... over 120

Now I feel really bad for not admitting my unopened kit stash...:o

Estes Gauchito
Estes SpaceShipOne
Estes Thunderstar
Estes Vanguard Eagle
Estes ScissorWing Transport
Estes Mercury-Redstone
Estes Eliminator
Estes Renegade (2-Stage)
Estes Baby Bertha (4 kits)
Estes Screamin Mimi (3 kits)
Estes Patriot
Quest Payloader One
Quest Full Moon
Quest Navaho AGM
Quest Nike-Smoke (regular-build)
Quest X-30
Quest Intruder
Quest Icarus

Built rockets: approx 125...

Motors in collection. Last count was 524 , I have added at least another 50 since then... Inlcudes ESTES, Centuri, AVI, MRI, MPC, Aerotech, Ricketflite, Enerjet, Mini Max, NCR, Vulcan, Apogee, FSI, Canaroc, and yes, even USR.

Motors to launch: I have a xerox box full of 18mm ESTES motors in the package, approx 30 18mm and 24mm AP motors, approx 75 13m motors, 24 24mm motors.

I lost track of the names of my rockets well before I reached the current count of 163. In fact, I forgot to add my Outlander to the list. Now standing at 164...

Even as I worked on the list, I was about to pull the trigger on an order for parts to build eight more. Something prevented me; I think I wanted to add some more parts...

I haven't counted my packs of motors. They're all Estes motors, and I try to pick up a pack or two of A8-3s every time I go into a Wal-Mart. It's a box maybe 20" x 6" x 14", and it's full to the point that I can't add another pack. The packs are stacked such that they fit together and take up as little space as possible...

Parts: ESTES: Xerox box full of plasric cones, 1/2 Xerox box full of balsa and BMS Balsa cones, 40 36" tubes, many others of smaller length, 100+ centering rings, 43 sheets of balsa, two old ESTES parts assortment boxes full of parachutes, a plastic jug full of various windings of kevlar.... And OTHER JUNK.....

I am such a pack rat.

I have several boxes with various parts strewn in them. One has parachutes, streamers, and other recovery items, while another has excess Semroc parts and tubes. There are two Estes #1406 Starter Set boxes with other parts from various Estes kits...

I also have one of those molded plastic tool boxes with 2 removeable clear snap-in trays on the top (purchased two of these at Sears when they were on sale) for carrying launch supplies.

And I religiously save the expended casings from every flight. I tell myself I'm going to use these to build holding spikes one day...

Green Dragon
05-06-2006, 10:28 PM
ok, does the forum have enough bandwidth for this? . lol ...

starting with the unbuilt kits ( sealed, I have no more current ' never to be built' kits in
my collection, all are sold ):
- Semroc SST Shuttle, Arcon, Space Plane, couple Swifts waiting for clone ideas, lol ;
Estes Longshot for Challenger II clone(s), Custom Venture, Quest Nike K, Estes Alpha, Freaky Flyer, Maxi Honest John rerelease, US Rockets Micro-Interoc, Hawk Mountain Raptor, Sunward Gravity Rider..
I think that might be all of the kits.

unfinished ( do you want started, parts collected, or 'someday, i think I have parts' , lol
). Following are either partly built, fins or parts cut (does not count 'someday' stuff that
I likely have all the parts for,uncut:

- CMR Manta clone (original parts)
- Crown Spartan clone (original parts)
- FSI OSO clone (original parts)
- 7.67" Nike K upscale
- Sting Ray (mini tri pak upscale 2.6",to match other 2)
- 6.0" Polaris upscale
- Ace Cantata (crashed,all new parts except fins)
- Vulcanite clone (under construction)
- Warloc (crashed,needs repair)
- 4" Black Brant III (glass cone,tube)
- Earthrise (globe rocket,unfinished,29mm)
- Orion Excaliber (original tubes and decals)
- CMR ELO (have tubes,capsule,fins)
- Mars Snooper 2 (have all parts for clone,orig fins,pods,adapter,decals)
- Airborne Surveillance Missile (have pts,orig fins)
- Alien Explorer (half built)
- CD Longstar (have original fins,no cone)
- FSI Penetrator clone
- mini Saturn V (have pcs,plans,partly built)
- Estes Skytracer (under constr.)
- Estes Starspeeder
- Apogee II clone (started,unfinished,G10 fins)
- Gyroc clone (started)
- K27 Honest John
- K22 Bt55 V2
- AAA American Dream clone
- Estes Gemini Titan
- 12" dia built-up rocket - have cores,balsa struts
- Mars Lander clone (just ordered the Semroc wraps,so I can make it nicer :-)
- Shrox Orion
- Shrox Stonebreaker
- Thrustline Star Hauler
- Launch Pad Alarm (started)
- Estes DART clone
- Scrambler 2 clone


Following is a list I made last year, just updated tonight from memory, might have missed something recent, but here is for analysis of my illness.(includes under repair birds,as we seem to be hard on rockets,as you will see):


AAA Model Aviation Fuels

- Half Breed (ltd edition,under repair)
- Lasersonics 1.2
- Pennsylvania Crude
- Transonic 775 (balsa nosecone)
- Transonic 775 clone (xx phenolic clone,G10 fins)

Ace Rockets

- Mini Allegro clone (Aerotech cone,unpainted,no lugs)

Aerotech

- HV ARCAS (used and abused,needs shock cord)

Art Applewhite

- 13mm Pyramid (download kit)

Centuri

- Laser X
- Magnum Hornet (unfinished)
- Red Eye (actually my brothers)
- Snipe Hunter
- Star Trooper clone (original decals,so-so condition)
- T Bird clone (unpainted)
- Viking (Cub Scout pak version)
- Vector V (needs cone,has unpainted replacement now)
- Zebra II clone (payload unpainted)

Cluster R

- Sandhawk (2.6" version,38mm)

Competition Model Rockets

- Paratrooper (unpainted)
- Sandpiper
- CMR parts RB77 streamer duration bird (EFFY ?)
- CMR parts - twin to above

Crown Rocket Technology

- LASOR 95 clone
- LASOR 134 clone

Custom Rockets

- Bullet (modified,partial painted)
- Engage (24mm,needs red repainted)

DARE Rockets

- 101 MMU

Enerjet

- Enerjet (unproduced 1.34",2 stage 29mm,from plans)
- ENERJET 2250 clone (FSI and CD parts,24mm mounts)

Estes

- Airborne Surveilance Missile clone
- Astro Bee clone (original fins)
- Attack Craft Orion clone (unpainted)
- Astron Bandit clone (half painted)
- Bandit (original fins,no baffle,Astrocam booster)
- Beta clone (mini-brute)
- Challenger 1
- Cherokee D clone
- Cobra clone (Astron,3x18mm)
- Condor (under restoration)
- Constellation (very rough,needs rebuilt)
- Darkstar (24mm mount)
- Delta Clipper (booster damaged,non-stock paint)
- Explorer (# 1974,partly painted)
- Falcon Commander
- Farside
- FoxFire
- Hawkeye
- Honest John (1227,under restoration)
- IQSY Tomahawk (mini scale pak)
- IRIS
- Galactic Taxi
- Goblin
- Jayhawk (pro series,unpainted)
- Laser clone
- LTV Scout
- Magician clone (original fins & decals)
- Maniac (non stock paint)
- MARK 2 (original decals)
- Mars Snooper II
- Maxi Alpha 3 (crashed early January,needs repair)
- Maxi Icarus (29mm)
- Maxi Streak
- Micron
- Mosquito (pink and white)
- Multi Roc clone (original booster)
- Omega clone
- Orion Starfighter (actually my brothers)
- Pathfinder
- Patriot (mini)
- Patriot (pro series,4 cluster 24mm,unfinished)
- Photon Disruptor II
- Polaris clone
- Pulsar
- Rattler 7
- Rogue clone
- S.C.R.A.M. (mini tri pak)
- Sark clone
- Saturn V (vintage,rough)
- Scorpius clone
- Scrambler (original 3 cluster)
- Screamer (mini-brute)
- Sea Strike D (under restoration)
- Skybolt
- Sizzler clone
- Sky Hi clone (original booster)
- Solar Sailer 2
- Solar Warrior
- Sprite
- Star Blazer (TK-31) clone
- Starlab (actually my brothers)
- Star Seeker (mini tri pak)
- Starship Excalibur (unpainted)
- Sting Ray (mini tri pak)
- Sunbird clone (unpainted)
- Teros
- Torrelian Invader (decals rough)
- Vigilante clone
- WAC Corporal clone (G10 fins)
- WASP clone (4 fins)
- Wolverine (rough)
- X Ray
- X Wing Fighter (all plastic,rtf,18mm)
- X Wing Fighter (all plastic,rtf,13mm)

Flight Systems Inc

- Dart clone (RV cone,G10 fins)
- Sprint

Fliskits

- Nebula (Narcon 2005 version,unfinished)

LOC

- Esoteric (original release,under repair)
- EZI 65
- K Load (under repair)
- King Viper III
- Laser LOC 1.5 clone (under repair,unfinished)
- Magnum
- Mini Viper

MPC

- Martian Patrol (actually my brothers)

MRC

- Standard Arm
- Starfire clone
- Trailblazer II

North Coast Rocketry

- Phantom 4000HD (54mm mount,no payload,part painted repair)

Pine Cap Associates

- Super Sleuth clone

Quest

- Big Rage
- Icarus (29mm mount)
- Nike Smoke clone
- Tomahawk
- HL 20 (cone,glider thing)

Rocket Vehicals

- Tiara (burgundy)
- Tiara (pink and orange)

Roto Rocket

- RR2 Space Station (under restoration)

Semroc

- Thunderbird
- SLS Scorpion 'clone' (Crown BT,BMS cone,Semroc fins)

Stellar Dimensions Inc

- Spinnaker

U.S. Rockets

- AeroRoc (modified,7x18mm mounts)
- Mongrel (2.6 host mount,needs 1 fin repaired)
- Sonic 2200 clone (under modification)
- SWARM (with payload section,needs work)

Vaughn Brothers

- Spudnik (copy of kit,one broken stick)

Upscaled projects

- Pathfinder (3.2"/2.6",2.6" host mount, AAA parts)
- Rattler 7 (8.25" dia/4.0",98mm)
- Rogue (1.6" Quantum,29mm,needs scale cone)
- S.C.R.A.M. (mini tri pak, 2.6", 29mm)
- Solar Sailer 2 (2.6",29mm)

From Published Plans

- Aerobee HI (BT60,2 stage 18mm,plans,unpainted)
- Cloud 9 (BT70 boatailed,29mm)
- Elrod 1 (BT60/55,18mm)
- Flying Jato (BT60,18mm)
- JAWS (from HPR plans,shortened)
- Tri-F-O (part painted)
- V2 (BT20,13mm)

scratchbuilt,etc

- 1355 (BT55,4 cluster 13mm)
- Aerobee (3.90",2.6 host mount,unpainted)
- Aerobee (BT5,10.5mm mount,unpainted)
- BEAST (5.375",29mm + 4x24mm,needs repair work)
- Bon Bon Special (towel roll,18mm, paper nose)
- Centrix clone (semi-clone of 10.5mm Apogee kit)
- Cuproc (needs finished)
- Drone (BT60,2 stage,3 cluster)
- Eagle (2.6",3 x 24mm,loose based on Ace kit)
- Hollow Bullet (2.8",24mm,needs repair)
- IQSY Tomahawk (1:4 semi-scale, Stargate 2.25" dia tubing, 24mm)
- Fibre Rocket (towel roll,18mm,needs repair again)
- Nose (rotorocket parts,18mm)
- Peppermint Stick (1.6", 24mm & 4 x 13mm)
- Porta Pad (flight converted orange launch pad)
- Purple People Eater (.7",13mm)
- Pyramid F (29mm pyramid upscale)
- RVI (gold BT50, 18mm)
- Sandhawk (2.6" PML parts,29mm,under restoration)
- Starjammer (BT50, 18mm)
- Stars N Stripes (2.0",4 x 24mm)
- Stumpy (3.90",29mm)
- SYZ (under repair,BT70,24mm)
- Tomahawk (towel tube, 24mm,unfinished)

- unnamed yellow / black 1.8" plastic BT,29mm
- unnamed "Nick's Junk" 1.9" red/wt,AT cone,29mm
- unnamed orange and white 2.0",29mm
- "Centuri Sounder" (1.04",24mm,no real name)
- unnamed red duration bird (BT20 out to BT50,loks like an FSI Sprint)


- V tail fixed pod boost glider (18mm)
- Jetco Thermic 72 boost glider conversion (13mm,pod crimped)
- 13mm boost glider,high aspect wings
- slide wing r/g (unfinished)(18mm)
- scratchbuilt 18mm B/G with 4 pc wings (?finished)

- 13mm plastic cone altitude bird
- 13mm streamer rocket (actually my brothers)
- 2 stage "Vestal-Roc",13mm, broken fin

( I get 184 ?, not counting the partly built / have all parts cut )

As for engines / motors... we won't even start to count them, everything from old MRC F/X engines through an O2600....

~ AL

Tau Zero
05-06-2006, 11:12 PM
ok, does the forum have enough bandwidth for this? . lol ...
*Wow.* Maybe not. :eek: ;) :D


unfinished ( do you want started, parts collected, or 'someday, i think I have parts' , lol).I think several of us, including myself, Craig, and Bill, can relate to that last one *all* too well. :rolleyes: ;) :D


Cheers,

--Jay

CPMcGraw
05-07-2006, 06:47 AM
unfinished ( do you want started, parts collected, or 'someday, i think I have parts' , lol).I think several of us, including myself, Craig, and Bill, can relate to that last one *all* too well. :rolleyes: ;) :D

Amen to that, although my stash of parts has dwindled a bit...

tbzep
05-07-2006, 09:21 AM
I'm too lazy to catalog my unbuilt kits right now. Heck, I don't even feel like getting up to take a picture of my built kits. I need a vacation. Maybe I'll catalog them summer and dig up this thread to post it. :rolleyes:

flygrimm
05-08-2006, 10:27 AM
Maybe I should show my wife this thread. Along with the 8 or 10 kits, I have 5 or 6 stick & tissue planes to build and about as many plastic models. If she saw what many of you have, maybe she would stop getting om me about my 'problem'.

Stuart

SEL
05-08-2006, 04:29 PM
ok, does the forum have enough bandwidth for this? . lol ...

Enerjet
-Enerjet (unproduced 1.34",2 stage 29mm,from plans)

Stop right there!! Is this one we know about or are you holding out on us? What 2-stage 1.34" Enerjet rocket? Can you send the plans to Scott? Can you tell I'm having a bloody caniption (sp?) ???! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sean

EchoVictor
05-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Parts: ESTES: Xerox box full of plastic cones, 1/2 Xerox box full of balsa and BMS Balsa cones, 40 36" tubes, many others of smaller length, 100+ centering rings, 43 sheets of balsa, two old ESTES parts assortment boxes full of parachutes, a plastic jug full of various windings of kevlar.... And OTHER JUNK.....

I am such a pack rat.

Phred,

you wouldn't happen to have any spare PNC-50F "droop-nose" style nose cones (from the Estes Starship / Scout Ship Nova or Nimbus) in any of those boxes, would you?

Later,
EV

BTW, it's "conniption". :D

SEL
05-08-2006, 04:43 PM
Phred,

you wouldn't happen to have any spare PNC-50F "droop-nose" style nose cones (from the Estes Starship / Scout Ship Nova or Nimbus) in any of those boxes, would you?

Later,
EV

BTW, it's "conniption". :D

Caniption, conniption, heart attack, stroke, vapors, palpatations, etc. :o Sean

Bob H
05-08-2006, 08:40 PM
Maybe I should show my wife this thread. Along with the 8 or 10 kits, I have 5 or 6 stick & tissue planes to build and about as many plastic models. If she saw what many of you have, maybe she would stop getting om me about my 'problem'.

Stuart
You only have the "start of a problem".

I have about 50 unbuilt rocket kits, 20 - 25 FF airplane kits, 5 or 6 R/C airplane kits, 70-80 plastic model kits, 3 wooden ship models, and about a dozen or so 54mm figure models.

I have accumulated these over the last 35 years so it's not as bad as it seems (except the rocket kits which were all bought within the last 2 years).


I don't have nearly the "problem" that my brother in law has.

His basement wall looks like a hobby shop and the last time he counted, he had well over 600 unbuilt plastic model kits. That was about 6 months ago and I bet he has added another 100 or so since then. He builds maybe 1 a month and only builds models that he has more than one of.

PaulK
05-08-2006, 10:02 PM
I feel much better after reading this thread - I've only a dozen unbuilt kits. Of course, I was reborn less than a year ago, so this could be a dangerous trend :eek: .

-Paul

Centuri
-Buck Rogers Starfighter

Estes
-Minibrute Beta
-Black Brant II
-Orbital Transport re-release
-Parts for Bomarc clone

Model Minutes
-Leduc-22

MPC
-Miniroc Taurus

Quest
-HL-20
-Cruise Missile

Semroc
-Aerobee-Hi
-Mars Lander
-Space Plane

A Fish Named Wallyum
05-08-2006, 10:06 PM
Caniption, conniption, heart attack, stroke, vapors, palpatations, etc. :o Sean

WOO-HOO! Sounds lke a heck of a weekend there! PAR-TY! :cool:

Green Dragon
05-09-2006, 01:45 PM
Stop right there!! Is this one we know about or are you holding out on us? What 2-stage 1.34" Enerjet rocket? Can you send the plans to Scott? Can you tell I'm having a bloody caniption (sp?) ???! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sean

Sean,

it was in an old Model Rocketeer or Model Rocketry, thinking rocketeer..... I actually was looking fo rthe plans a while back and did nto find the right issue, bubt as I recal it was touted as an 'unproduced enerjet' .

will see what I can come up with for info .

~AL

snaquin
09-09-2006, 06:05 PM
Stop right there!! Is this one we know about or are you holding out on us? What 2-stage 1.34" Enerjet rocket? Can you send the plans to Scott? Can you tell I'm having a bloody caniption (sp?) ???! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sean

Sean,

it was in an old Model Rocketeer or Model Rocketry, thinking rocketeer..... I actually was looking fo rthe plans a while back and did nto find the right issue, bubt as I recal it was touted as an 'unproduced enerjet' .

will see what I can come up with for info .

~AL

AL / Sean

Did anything ever turn up on this? David Stribling posted a link in another thread with pictures he took of a 2-Stage EnerJet rocket. There's an interesting image he took of Larry Brown with a Nike-Ram that appears to be trimmed out in Black and Silver with small white horiz bands on the payload section!

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showpost.php?p=11156&postcount=20

As far as the 2-Stage EnerJet rocket the upper stage of this one looks very similar to a Centuri Argus - too long to be a real 1340 beneath the transition. I wonder if there were plans for that? I'd love to see them :D

(and yes, I'm still hopelessly searching for still more EnerJet rockets to recreate - am I sick or what?)

Green Dragon
09-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Steve,

for the life of me I can NOT find the plans.. :(

I know for a FACT it was a published plan, and attributed to Enerjet, I thought it was in Amspac, or model Rocketeer, but I've checked all my issues, CRM,HPR,etc and nothing....

I will have to get some pics, it basically has Nike-Ram style fins, and I recall the plans having specific tube lengths,etc, since I went out and bought FSI parts ( then still available) to clone it, and had to cut two differnt tubes for the body / payload ( ie: no stock lengths/ too long for making it all from one tube), I think I might still ahev the small cut-off tube sections to this day.

I * DID * however, find a photo ( scanning in a sec, lol ) of BJ Humphries, holding what I know is this bird design.
photo was in the April 1983 California Rocketry mag centerfold, if you have that issue.

off topic - CRM is an awesome look back at early Hpr / MRT activities, lots of pics,etc. (including Jim Tucci, and other ex-Florida guys who are now active on the old rockets listserve :-)... it'd be nice if these could be posted, I don't have em all - if anyone has any extras let me know :-) - but would scan what I havemif permission to post could be arranged ( hmm.. Jerry or Chuck ? )

let me know if you want the design for this bird, I can always measure / trace mine.. still annoys me to not find the plans, because I know I did not imagine em, lol :)

~ AL


psL photo in next post.. my scanner's being a pain (still ), majorly green tint, any advice, or is it toast ? ( I reinstalled the drivers,etc after having a whole batch of YORP scans be unusable, some I sent this time were ok, so not sure how to adjust more :-(

Green Dragon
09-09-2006, 07:09 PM
ok, here's the scan as best I can get it to go ( CRM photos / printing was not exactly perfect anyways,lol ) .

BJ humphries with the two-stager.

My own looks like this one ( note payload section/cone not in photo), except mine is painted in 80's poupular bright paint - metallic burgundy and purple with mylar trim, but with flourescent orange booster... will try to get a pic of my version , now that I have batteries for the camera :-)

also will get pics of my LASOR clones as promised.

~ AL

SEL
09-09-2006, 11:22 PM
Steve,

for the life of me I can NOT find the plans.. :(

I know for a FACT it was a published plan, and attributed to Enerjet, I thought it was in Amspac, or model Rocketeer, but I've checked all my issues, CRM,HPR,etc and nothing....

I will have to get some pics, it basically has Nike-Ram style fins, and I recall the plans having specific tube lengths,etc, since I went out and bought FSI parts ( then still available) to clone it, and had to cut two differnt tubes for the body / payload ( ie: no stock lengths/ too long for making it all from one tube), I think I might still ahev the small cut-off tube sections to this day.

I * DID * however, find a photo ( scanning in a sec, lol ) of BJ Humphries, holding what I know is this bird design.
photo was in the April 1983 California Rocketry mag centerfold, if you have that issue.

off topic - CRM is an awesome look back at early Hpr / MRT activities, lots of pics,etc. (including Jim Tucci, and other ex-Florida guys who are now active on the old rockets listserve :-)... it'd be nice if these could be posted, I don't have em all - if anyone has any extras let me know :-) - but would scan what I havemif permission to post could be arranged ( hmm.. Jerry or Chuck ? )

let me know if you want the design for this bird, I can always measure / trace mine.. still annoys me to not find the plans, because I know I did not imagine em, lol :)

~ AL

psL photo in next post.. my scanner's being a pain (still ), majorly green tint, any advice, or is it toast ? ( I reinstalled the drivers,etc after having a whole batch of YORP scans be unusable, some I sent this time were ok, so not sure how to adjust more :-(

Al,

I'd love to see the specs on this - no idea what it was called, eh?

Sean

snaquin
09-10-2006, 08:55 AM
ok, here's the scan as best I can get it to go ( CRM photos / printing was not exactly perfect anyways,lol ) .

BJ humphries with the two-stager.

My own looks like this one ( note payload section/cone not in photo), except mine is painted in 80's poupular bright paint - metallic burgundy and purple with mylar trim, but with flourescent orange booster... will try to get a pic of my version , now that I have batteries for the camera :-)

also will get pics of my LASOR clones as promised.

~ AL

AL

Thanks for posting the image and yes I'd be interested in specs on this one as well as a pic of your version when you have time!

Very interesting and if you read all of the text in that photo from CRM it states that Gary R. took the photo at Anaheim Stadium in 1974. There are two small images I used in my post about the ARG Prototypes that I just finished building that were taken from the October 1982 CRM of the "Historical" EnerJet two-stage rocket designed by Larry Brown and that rocket was also referenced in that article as being flown at Anaheim Stadium in 1974, pretty cool huh?

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showpost.php?p=9900&postcount=7

I guess Anaheim Stadium was the place to be in 1974 to see a lot of these EnerJet rockets fly first hand :cool:

In the October 1982 CRM issue there was a dimensioned drawing of the Larry Brown two-stage design as drawn by Jerry 8-14-82. I don't have permission to post the plans but for your trouble of getting us some specs on yours, I'd be more than happy to email you the entire page that I cropped the images from that includes the dimensions for that rocket. It wasn't a true 2250 booster because it used 24mm motor tubes in Centuri ST-20, not 29mm motor tubes like I had originally thought and was a typical Larry Brown design, very unique.

{In that same April 83 CRM issue you referenced and posted the image from there is a cool USR ad that shows Jerry's EnerJet 2650 Uprated in flight on F100-0's staged to F100-10's}.

Green Dragon
09-10-2006, 09:08 AM
Steve,

will have a 'surprise' for you later, once I get my scanned ported out ;)

I actually have the CRM issue with the 2250 based 2 stager you built, but appreciate the offer.

( do you have a list of what CRM isues you have, here's a list of mine, if you have / need scans I'd love to trade :-)
California Rocketry
.........NEED April '81 (?1st), July '81
Have: Oct '81; Jan '82; April '82; July '82; Oct '82; Jan '83,April '83; July '83
........... ? need any after July '83 ???
(Oct '83,Jan '84,April '84,July '84 - these per Jerry's site )


I'll have to go back and look for that 2 staged 2650 photo, I was just thirlled to find the one I posted, lol ...
although, what else I recall from that centerfold is the ' what happened to Jim Jaworski' info,and pics of 38mm J motor flown in ,like 1980 ?
and the back cover USR ad has some great photos, including the Jaworski rocket ( later kitted by Jerry as the Megaroc ),on J and 8 x D12 power, iirc.
I might have to build a Megaroc for old time sake, I have the USR Mongrel, which uses the same fins, so I have patterns.(lmk if you want any 'unpostable' patterns,lol- AAA, Ace, USR, Loc,etc).
Did find a tracing I did of the fin pattern for the West Coast Rocketry Screamer kit, while looking for the AAA info I promised.
( see review here: http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/oop/wcr_screamer.html ).
would be real easy to clone with Semroc or BMS Bt70HD tubing,and semi-custom cone.
I do know the original WCR kits used Kosdon 1.9 and 2.25" casting tubes, same tubing as Aerotech 1.9 ( also started life as 54mm casting tubes) and the 2.25 same as USR and Cd/Stargates tubing. ( this info straight from Kosdon when I was a dealer ).

more info as it turns up.

~ AL

Ltvscout
09-10-2006, 09:17 AM
psL photo in next post.. my scanner's being a pain (still ), majorly green tint, any advice, or is it toast ? ( I reinstalled the drivers,etc after having a whole batch of YORP scans be unusable, some I sent this time were ok, so not sure how to adjust more :-(
Al,

Yes, it's your scanner hardware itself that is bad. Now you know what to ask for for your birthday or Christmas! It would be great if you could get a new scanner (they're really quite cheap now compared to a few years ago) since you have a lot of old plans, etc we could use on the site.

Green Dragon
09-10-2006, 06:48 PM
ok guys, I have a breakthrough of sorts.

here's the scoop / what I recall, etc.

1) I know for CERTAIN this was a published plan, but for the life of me can not find it :(
I'd assumed maybe CRM, or High Power Research, but have triple checked every issue I have - might have been Model Rocketry, but I doubt it as most of the copies I have have come in the last couple years thanks to ebay.
I even checked all my club newsletters, just in case, with no results. .... thinking now it might have been in SNOAR News, since some members of our club were subscribed, and about the right timeframe, iirc.

2) I did find an invoice from Magnum Inc, Dec 1993 that has FSI 1.34" parts tacked onto it, which I;m fairly sure were for this bird, so that's about when I built it .

3) I found the drawing posted below in a folder I have :)
hand drawn with dimmensions,etc, but rather detailed lengths, etc - I know this was not something I dreamed up, as I'd have just cut the tube and had it at that ( ie" boost and payload = 18" so one tube could be used, or else 18" sustainer tube, one cut for pl/ booster, etc.. hey I'm lazy with scratchbuilts, lol

sooo.. the mystery as tot he origin of the plans I saw deepens, but the photo of BJ Humpries prooves the bird exists, it;s too close of a match to my drawing and builtup .
Photos of the built rocket show my "heavily influenced by Ron Schultz and others in the late 80's " auto paint,mylar wraps,etc.

Enjoy .

~ AL

rokitflite
09-11-2006, 07:54 AM
Oh Lord... Someday I will make a list :rolleyes:

rokitflite
09-11-2006, 07:58 AM
And to think that this was the *still growing* collection 4 years ago...

Eagle3
09-11-2006, 02:34 PM
And to think that this was the *still growing* collection 4 years ago...

*drool* Won't you be my neighbor? *LOL*

Mine's grown since these were posted, but nothing really rare has been added;
http://www.cv41.org/personal/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=9883

Green Dragon
09-11-2006, 03:04 PM
rokitflite.

I have to say that you're obsessed :)

I definately never had that many, of course, if you never got rid of any, and have been at since the 80's...... (not sure if you remember me from the WUBBA days :-), when you were still trying to track down your first Cineroc , lol )
sold most of my collection in the early 90's, Dan S and Randy L got a lot of it, so maybe some is now in your hoard.

I do see a few in there that Scott ( and us, lol ) could use - not posted online anyplace:

Centuri Spirit of America
Red Eye ( I sent in the fin pattern)

( you don't have a Centuri Magnum Sprint, do you, one I've regretted selling to Dan, and wanted to clone for many years )

again, very nice.. stuff in there collectors would kill for .. the one I'm personally drooling over... definately the MPC Titan , very nice .

~ AL Swackhammer

Boostin bandits team T081
NAR 34644
Tripoli 090

Green Dragon
09-11-2006, 03:10 PM
*drool* Won't you be my neighbor? *LOL*

Mine's grown since these were posted, but nothing really rare has been added;
http://www.cv41.org/personal/gallery/kits

lol, pretty good collection you have going yourself, Eagle.

although much 'new' stuff that needs building :)

the Thoy and Lawn Dart kits are niiiiice ... and rare, I imagine.

( save those, build the Estes, Semroc, etc :) )

~ AL

rokitflite
09-11-2006, 04:07 PM
WUBBA? I Remember that name... What event was that and where was it? :confused:

barone
09-11-2006, 05:23 PM
And to think that this was the *still growing* collection 4 years ago...

You're such a life saver! I showed my wife your collection. She promised never to pick on me again.... ;) LOL

Don
NAR 53455

Green Dragon
09-11-2006, 05:35 PM
WUBBA? I Remember that name... What event was that and where was it? :confused:

WUBBA launches were held outside Allentown ,PA , early to late 80's .. not sure which club(s), Pulsar,maybe ?
Art Rose, Charlie Sykos, etc ( And iirc, you either came with, or stayed with Terry Lee ? , my memory might be inconsistent, getting old, you know, lol ...
We were both B division at the earliest ones I attended, I think (?1984 maybe - along with Ken Mizoi from East meets West ) .
I distinctly recall you talking to either Terry or Herb ( or maybe Scott Pierce ?) about finding a Cineroc , as I was searching for one then, as well - did find one, flew it many times, including LDRS-6 , and sold it last year on e*^$.

I still have my trophies and WUBBA meet patches... * sigh * , nostalgic stuff :)

~ AL

snaquin
09-11-2006, 07:00 PM
Steve,

will have a 'surprise' for you later, once I get my scanned ported out ;)

I actually have the CRM issue with the 2250 based 2 stager you built, but appreciate the offer.

( do you have a list of what CRM isues you have, here's a list of mine, if you have / need scans I'd love to trade :-)
California Rocketry
.........NEED April '81 (?1st), July '81
Have: Oct '81; Jan '82; April '82; July '82; Oct '82; Jan '83,April '83; July '83
........... ? need any after July '83 ???
(Oct '83,Jan '84,April '84,July '84 - these per Jerry's site )


I'll have to go back and look for that 2 staged 2650 photo, I was just thirlled to find the one I posted, lol ...
although, what else I recall from that centerfold is the ' what happened to Jim Jaworski' info,and pics of 38mm J motor flown in ,like 1980 ?
and the back cover USR ad has some great photos, including the Jaworski rocket ( later kitted by Jerry as the Megaroc ),on J and 8 x D12 power, iirc.
I might have to build a Megaroc for old time sake, I have the USR Mongrel, which uses the same fins, so I have patterns.(lmk if you want any 'unpostable' patterns,lol- AAA, Ace, USR, Loc,etc).
Did find a tracing I did of the fin pattern for the West Coast Rocketry Screamer kit, while looking for the AAA info I promised.
( see review here: http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/oop/wcr_screamer.html ).
would be real easy to clone with Semroc or BMS Bt70HD tubing,and semi-custom cone.
I do know the original WCR kits used Kosdon 1.9 and 2.25" casting tubes, same tubing as Aerotech 1.9 ( also started life as 54mm casting tubes) and the 2.25 same as USR and Cd/Stargates tubing. ( this info straight from Kosdon when I was a dealer ).

more info as it turns up.

~ AL


The CRM issues I have scans for: 04-1981, 07-1981, 10-1981, 01-1982, 04-1982, 07-1982, 10-1982, 01-1983 and 04-1983 arranged into a .pdf file for each issue to make it easy to read through them. I don't have print copies of CRM. Some of those old CRM's are pretty cool. In the 01-1982 issue there's a picture of a 15 year old Gary R. holding a four stage Estes Omega :)

I may have to get with you to see what you have in your archives for ACE and AAA. If you want any of these CRM .pdf files I'd be more than happy to email them to you or burn to CD-R and snail mail. Let me know.

ghrocketman
09-11-2006, 07:08 PM
Holy Schmidt that's a lotta rockets !
Not one, but TWO K-29 S1B's and TWO 1/45 LJII's !
Are you interested in selling any of them ?
I'll send a PM.

snaquin
09-11-2006, 07:24 PM
ok guys, I have a breakthrough of sorts.

here's the scoop / what I recall, etc.

1) I know for CERTAIN this was a published plan, but for the life of me can not find it :(
I'd assumed maybe CRM, or High Power Research, but have triple checked every issue I have - might have been Model Rocketry, but I doubt it as most of the copies I have have come in the last couple years thanks to ebay.
I even checked all my club newsletters, just in case, with no results. .... thinking now it might have been in SNOAR News, since some members of our club were subscribed, and about the right timeframe, iirc.

2) I did find an invoice from Magnum Inc, Dec 1993 that has FSI 1.34" parts tacked onto it, which I;m fairly sure were for this bird, so that's about when I built it .

3) I found the drawing posted below in a folder I have :)
hand drawn with dimmensions,etc, but rather detailed lengths, etc - I know this was not something I dreamed up, as I'd have just cut the tube and had it at that ( ie" boost and payload = 18" so one tube could be used, or else 18" sustainer tube, one cut for pl/ booster, etc.. hey I'm lazy with scratchbuilts, lol

sooo.. the mystery as tot he origin of the plans I saw deepens, but the photo of BJ Humpries prooves the bird exists, it;s too close of a match to my drawing and builtup .
Photos of the built rocket show my "heavily influenced by Ron Schultz and others in the late 80's " auto paint,mylar wraps,etc.

Enjoy .

~ AL

AL

That drawing looks so old you should submit it to the Smithsonian Institution :D
Looks like a pretty straight forward rocket to build and makes me wish the F100 was still around to use in the booster. Without electronics it might be best to build it with Semroc 24mm adapters in both stages for Estes D and E's but either way would be cool to build.

But really, thanks very much for posting! Do you remember if that was really the name of that rocket, EnerJet Sonic 36? I have a buddy of mine that has fallen out of rocketry that has a bunch of the old SNOAR News. I need to look him up and see what issues he still has. He joined TRA a year or so before I did and his Tripolitan magazine predates mine so I may see if he'll let those go too because I'd like to have them for reference.

And yes I recognize the Ron Schultz influence on your rocket but I still put horizontal bands on many of my rockets!

I'll let you know if I can get my hands on some old SNOAR news issues and if I run across that plan set. Thanks again for posting the specifics!

snaquin
09-11-2006, 07:30 PM
You're such a life saver! I showed my wife your collection. She promised never to pick on me again.... ;) LOL

Don
NAR 53455

I'm thinking of doing the same :)

Green Dragon
09-11-2006, 07:40 PM
AL

That drawing looks so old you should submit it to the Smithsonian Institution :D
Looks like a pretty straight forward rocket to build and makes me wish the F100 was still around to use in the booster. Without electronics it might be best to build it with Semroc 24mm adapters in both stages for Estes D and E's but either way would be cool to build.

But really, thanks very much for posting! Do you remember if that was really the name of that rocket, EnerJet Sonic 36? I have a buddy of mine that has fallen out of rocketry that has a bunch of the old SNOAR News. I need to look him up and see what issues he still has. He joined TRA a year or so before I did and his Tripolitan magazine predates mine so I may see if he'll let those go too because I'd like to have them for reference.

And yes I recognize the Ron Schultz influence on your rocket but I still put horizontal bands on many of my rockets!

I'll let you know if I can get my hands on some old SNOAR news issues and if I run across that plan set. Thanks again for posting the specifics!

I'm assuming that was the name, since that's what I labelled it - of course it might have been called that by who-ever drew it .
side note - since CD used the 'sonics' moniker, has me thinking Gary might have drawn it, or possibly Irvine for CRM, but I;ve not been able to turn it up .
you'll agree with me it is definately the bird BJ Humphries is holding, so does have historical significance, just bugs me to no end to not have the info / source :-(

~ AL

DeanHFox
09-11-2006, 09:09 PM
Nice collection, rokitflite! I'll have to lay mine out on the floor like that...never thought of doing it that way - great idea, way cool!

I lost about 30 vintage kits in a basement flood about 10 years ago...since then, I keep 'em sealed in watertight plastic crates. :)

I didn't happen to see a Centuri USS America...are you missing that SuperKit? I thought I spied an ESS Raven and a couple SSV Scorpions...

I tried the "show my wife the photos" trick, but she replied with, "I've seen your collection boxes and your database of kits --- you have over 700. He's just another rocket goof like you are. The fact that he has a ton of rockets in his collection like you do just proves that you two should be in the same mental ward".

Hey, sounds like EXCELLENT company to me! :D :D :D

snaquin
09-11-2006, 10:32 PM
I'm assuming that was the name, since that's what I labelled it - of course it might have been called that by who-ever drew it .
side note - since CD used the 'sonics' moniker, has me thinking Gary might have drawn it, or possibly Irvine for CRM, but I;ve not been able to turn it up .
you'll agree with me it is definately the bird BJ Humphries is holding, so does have historical significance, just bugs me to no end to not have the info / source :-(

~ AL

Just really curious about it but it's a great looking rocket and definitely of historical significance, exactly the types I'm most interested in :)

I've never seen it before, and yes it's without a doubt the plans for the rocket that BJ Humphries is holding.

Don't feel bad about not locating the source. Every now and then I think of something I read in one of my old Tripolitan magazines. I was trying to help out a buddy of mine with information on a three stage min diameter rocket I remembered reading about and remember the picture, the article and how this guy used conduits and banana plugs to run the stage wires externally for staging. I never did find that article and flipped through all my issues I have back to summer 1988 and still couldn't find it. I know I saw it ..... still can't find it.

I did a quick inventory tonight and I have most of the parts I need to build the EnerJet Sonic 36 so I guess you know what that means :D

rokitflite
09-12-2006, 11:31 AM
I didn't happen to see a Centuri USS America...are you missing that SuperKit? I thought I spied an ESS Raven and a couple SSV Scorpions...




That is a sore subject with me... First off, I've always disliked that kit. Maybe it was the green decals or the overall "chunky" appearance it has. BUT, way back when, I ordered 3 SPIRIT Of America kits from Centuri. When the order arrived they had sent me 3 USS America kits... I was actually angry. I tried building one and I hated it so much it just sat half finished for 25 years. I just recently gave it to a friend. The other 2 I opened and used for parts... Given the prices they go for on Ebay now I am kicking myself regularly... And no, I still don't like that kit! :rolleyes: :D

snaquin
09-12-2006, 10:22 PM
I'm assuming that was the name, since that's what I labelled it - of course it might have been called that by who-ever drew it .
side note - since CD used the 'sonics' moniker, has me thinking Gary might have drawn it, or possibly Irvine for CRM, but I;ve not been able to turn it up .
you'll agree with me it is definately the bird BJ Humphries is holding, so does have historical significance, just bugs me to no end to not have the info / source :-(

~ AL

AL

Now that you mention it I think that the EnerJet Sonic 36 that you posted the plans for is very likely a Gary Rosenfield design. If you have the first issue of Extreme Rocketry from March 2000, take a look at page 34. Gary is holding a three stage EnerJet-powered rocket with a "Mini-Cineroc" payload at Lucerne Dry Lake, c. 1973.

If you don't have the issue although it is out of print it is still available as a free download here with the Extreme Rocketry digital back issues:

http://www.extremerocketry.com/downloads/

Tell me what you think when you have a minute to take a look at this. The EnerJet Sonic 36 plans you have may be the plans for a two stage version of this rocket :)

.

SEL
09-12-2006, 11:44 PM
AL

Now that you mention it I think that the EnerJet Sonic 36 that you posted the plans for is very likely a Gary Rosenfield design. If you have the first issue of Extreme Rocketry from March 2000, take a look at page 34. Gary is holding a three stage EnerJet-powered rocket with a "Mini-Cineroc" payload at Lucerne Dry Lake, c. 1973.

If you don't have the issue although it is out of print it is still available as a free download here with the Extreme Rocketry digital back issues:

http://www.extremerocketry.com/downloads/

Tell me what you think when you have a minute to take a look at this. The EnerJet Sonic 36 plans you have may be the plans for a two stage version of this rocket :)

.

Wow!! Thanks, Steve - I had completely forgotten about that photo. That has to be Al's Sonic 36.

Sean

Initiator001
09-12-2006, 11:45 PM
And to think that this was the *still growing* collection 4 years ago...

I thought you had more kits than that, Scott. ;)

Bob

Green Dragon
09-13-2006, 09:40 AM
AL

Now that you mention it I think that the EnerJet Sonic 36 that you posted the plans for is very likely a Gary Rosenfield design. If you have the first issue of Extreme Rocketry from March 2000, take a look at page 34. Gary is holding a three stage EnerJet-powered rocket with a "Mini-Cineroc" payload at Lucerne Dry Lake, c. 1973.

If you don't have the issue although it is out of print it is still available as a free download here with the Extreme Rocketry digital back issues:

http://www.extremerocketry.com/downloads/

Tell me what you think when you have a minute to take a look at this. The EnerJet Sonic 36 plans you have may be the plans for a two stage version of this rocket :)

.

That sure looks like the bird to me .

Same fins , thats for sure, and according to the Composite Dynamics catalog ( ninfinger - http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rockets/catalogs/cd81/81cd28.html ), the mini-cineroc was 1.25" dia, which surprisingly enough is this size.

main body tube length looks longer on that one Gary's holding, but otherwise dead on .

Maybe someone could drop gary a note and ask him about it, and if the plans were published, maybe he knows what I forgot / misplaced ?

~ AL

ps: love the other pics in the articel, too .. like the Omaga with the strap-on boosters, or the Yellow & black AT hobby display, I've seen that photo before, but not in living color.
note the ACE ' Ultra' hanging - I had one of those, sold it to a friend who's now out of the hobby, might have to look him up and get patterns for that as well :-)

snaquin
09-15-2006, 10:47 PM
ok guys, I have a breakthrough of sorts.

here's the scoop / what I recall, etc.

1) I know for CERTAIN this was a published plan, but for the life of me can not find it :(
I'd assumed maybe CRM, or High Power Research, but have triple checked every issue I have - might have been Model Rocketry, but I doubt it as most of the copies I have have come in the last couple years thanks to ebay.
I even checked all my club newsletters, just in case, with no results. .... thinking now it might have been in SNOAR News, since some members of our club were subscribed, and about the right timeframe, iirc.

2) I did find an invoice from Magnum Inc, Dec 1993 that has FSI 1.34" parts tacked onto it, which I;m fairly sure were for this bird, so that's about when I built it .

3) I found the drawing posted below in a folder I have :)
hand drawn with dimmensions,etc, but rather detailed lengths, etc - I know this was not something I dreamed up, as I'd have just cut the tube and had it at that ( ie" boost and payload = 18" so one tube could be used, or else 18" sustainer tube, one cut for pl/ booster, etc.. hey I'm lazy with scratchbuilts, lol

sooo.. the mystery as tot he origin of the plans I saw deepens, but the photo of BJ Humpries prooves the bird exists, it;s too close of a match to my drawing and builtup .
Photos of the built rocket show my "heavily influenced by Ron Schultz and others in the late 80's " auto paint,mylar wraps,etc.

Enjoy .

~ AL


AL

I used your provided dimensioned drawing to create two RockSim files for the EnerJet 36. One version with the original 29mm mounts in sustainer and booster, and another version with 24mm mounts for black powder D and E motors.

I used all Semroc parts: LT-125 instead of ST-13 only because I have tons of the Semroc LT-125 on hand :)
I haven't simmed any 29mm motors yet but I did sim the 24mm motor version with D and E motors. D12-0/D12-7 yields approx 1,500' and D12-0/E9-8 about 2,145'. Deployments are almost perfect and used a LOC streamer for recovery of the upper stage.

Thanks again for posting this historic rocket design. I do appreciate it.

Four words - I'm gonna build it ..... :cool:

.