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Jerry Irvine 04-25-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mn-rocketry
I can think of a few Estes products in the 1995-2000 time frame that were announced or appeared in catalogs or fliers, but then never became available.
#2030, Screaming Eagle rocket car (2000 flier)


Wasn't one of the announced rocket cars canceled due to a CPSC regulatory change proposal that was rejected after initially being out for comment?

Jerry

Gus 04-25-2009 11:42 AM

Mike,

Barry suggested the Shrox designs were cancelled due to stability concerns.

Can you elaborate?

Bill 04-25-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus
Barry suggested the Shrox designs were cancelled due to stability concerns.



The rockets or the designer? <running and ducking>

I met Shrox at a NARCON and attended his session about designing model rockets hoping to gain some insight into what made his creative mind tick. Came away knowing less than before I started. I've got to find the tape of that session in my archives and watch it again.. Unfortunately, I may be too inhibited to come up with some of the things he does until I can find the off switch for the "nah, that cannot possibly work" warning mechanism.


Bill

MDorffler 04-26-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gus
Mike,

Barry suggested the Shrox designs were cancelled due to stability concerns.

Can you elaborate?


Gus - we did have stability problems with more than one of the designs Doug submitted. It was suggested we just add clay to the noses to correct the flight issues. Adding clay poses two probelem - the first being that some modelers will simply foget to add it during the build, meaning the stability issue isn't fixed, and secondly I personally dislike watching a 'stable' model ascend in a severe coning fashion. To me that's not stable.

My suggestions were to move the planforms rearward, and when that was done the models in question began flying straight. To do that did in fact alter Dougs graphic approach which in turn caused some differences of opinions back and forth. I wished we could have resolved those diofferences and produce the kits. But it was not to be as Barry made the decision to stop the project.

MDorffler 04-26-2009 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Irvine
Wasn't one of the announced rocket cars canceled due to a CPSC regulatory change proposal that was rejected after initially being out for comment?

Jerry


Jerry - not meant to sound as though I'm making excuses, but I really don't know the answer to your question. I would have to ask Mary R.

lurker01 04-29-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MDorffler
This is interesting that at least one of the kits got out. It should not have happened. We had a contract with Disney that they were all to be destroyed.



Mike,

You would be SURPRISED what made it from the Estes Dumpsters and the Old Estes Home / Estes Storage to private collectors ... you would be surprised.

Hey, Bill Simon had said that last year he finally threw away boxes of Estes records detailing the number of Estes kits manufactured though the years.

You mentioned the Astrocam and that 50,000 units a year were produced ... wow!

How about those 1960's kits? Kits that had to have hand turned balsa nose cones and hand wound body tubes like the BT-30.

Any idea what the production number of a pre-damon kit was? How about the Cineroc? How many of those were produced annually?

Thanks in advance,

Bob

MDorffler 05-01-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lurker01
Mike,

You would be SURPRISED what made it from the Estes Dumpsters and the Old Estes Home / Estes Storage to private collectors ... you would be surprised.

Hey, Bill Simon had said that last year he finally threw away boxes of Estes records detailing the number of Estes kits manufactured though the years.

You mentioned the Astrocam and that 50,000 units a year were produced ... wow!

How about those 1960's kits? Kits that had to have hand turned balsa nose cones and hand wound body tubes like the BT-30.

Any idea what the production number of a pre-damon kit was? How about the Cineroc? How many of those were produced annually?

Thanks in advance,

Bob


Bob - no, I'm not surprised at all. And obviously you have intimate knowledge of where many of these items were kept or stored and were taken from. One thing I would like to pass on to the guys who have 'private collections' of Estes rockets, prototypes, photos, films, etc., is that in all likelyhood your collection contains one or more of these pilfered items. No employee has ever had the right or been given permission to take home items such as the original photo models, or kit files, or our large collection of scale data. Yet today the original models such as the Mars Lander or Spaceman, or the original Interceptor which were kept in the photo studio are now all gone. Most of the printing plates that printed the original instructions are all gone, and our massive set of scale files have been decimated. All of which has upset me greatly for some time.

GregGleason 05-01-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MDorffler
... have been decimated. All of which has upset me greatly for some time.


Oh Mike. This is terrible news. I had assumed that most of the Estes treasure was locked away safely somewhere. To hear that so much work and history was cast to the wind is very sad. Sigh.

Greg

Ltvscout 05-01-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GregGleason
Oh Mike. This is terrible news. I had assumed that most of the Estes treasure was locked away safely somewhere. To hear that so much work and history was cast to the wind is very sad. Sigh.

From what Mike is saying it doesn't sound like a lot of this stuff was cast to the wind, but instead, taken without permission.

I was surprised to hear that items Mike had in his desk or office had magically disappeared over the years. :(

Stealing is stealing, folks.

ManofSteele 05-01-2009 04:54 PM

Misisng stuff
 
I think Mike makes it sound like everything that left Estes was taken from his desk.

Not the case. Not by a longshot.

We had a number of the Laser Launchers that were sent out for evaluation as part of our marketing effort - that's how Sanford got one, and I distinctly remember sending a few others out to "lucky" rocketeers for testing.

In addition, we could've made the launch controllers - we had a large number of the chipsets fabricated - but, it didn't end up with the profit margins that Barry wanted, and it was dropped.


I understand there was a great "purge" of the old R&D offices before I got there, and a lot of stuff was taken home, rather than put in the dumpster for disposal.

Matt


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