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Originally Posted by tbzep
It's not just road going diesels. Agricultural and industrial are getting hammered by the EPA too. It's just plain wrong to have to put a DPF (diesel version of a cat) or diesel exhaust fluid in a tractor.  Mahindra now has a small tier 4 engine that doesn't use a DPF, but they spent millions designing it. I'm surprised one of the big hitters in diesel like Yanmar or Cummins didn't do it first. |
Which is why the older stuff is now bringing more USED than it sold for NEW in some cases, and in others the resale value is VERY, VERY high compared to what used tractors and equipment USED to bring... NOBODY in ag wants the Teir 4 stuff, but they're stuck with it. Guys farming a bazillion acres and flipping tractors and combines and stuff every two years (once the warranty runs out they generally flip them for new, as they've probably run up close to 2,000-3,000 hours, or sometimes more, anyway... They're getting hammered because 1) not many people want to buy USED Tier 4 stuff because without warranty, a breakdown can be DISASTROUSLY expensive, so 2) the lowered demand is causing lower resale prices for that equipment to get it to move AT ALL, and the dealers and company is passing that on to the farmer, and 3)prices for new machinery are hitting STUPID EXPENSIVE proportions to pay for all the extra gobbledygook on the machine that SERVES ABSOLUTELY NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER TO GETTING THE JOB DONE, other than pleasing a bunch of environmental pencil necks that should all have to grow their own food or do without IMHO...
Guys in fleet maintenance dealing with semis also point out that the new stuff is COMPLETE GARBAGE. Gone are the days when a new semi was, with proper preventive maintenance, good for a million miles before a major overhaul. At the rate and severity of the problems they're seeing with the pollution controlled diesel semi's, they'll be lucky to get 300,000 out of it before a major overhaul, and the truck will about be ready for the scrap heap by a half million miles or so, because at that point it will cost more to fix than it's worth. Welcome to disposable *everything* which is the mantra in America today...
One thing's for sure... you can find 40, 50, even 60 year old tractors still WORKING on farms TODAY-- not just parade tractors or restoration projects, REAL WORKING TRACTORS doing REAL WORK on REAL farms... This pollution controlled electronic CRAP they're building today will all either be in museums or the scrap heap in 20 years... it'll be too far gone to fix and too expensive to fix.
Later! OL J R
