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Old 02-27-2012, 10:08 AM
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:40 AM
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Please take it outside guys.

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It's half a D12 grain and can use the same tooling.



I was under the impression that it was a D11 but with less propellant. I also always assumed it's niche in the marketplace was to provide a C motor that could be flown in a
D or E powered rocket without any additional adapter.

I could be wrong of course.
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I was under the impression that it was a D11 but with less propellant. I also always assumed it's niche in the marketplace was to provide a C motor that could be flown in a
D or E powered rocket without any additional adapter.

I could be wrong of course.


D11 and D12 have the same white plugs and same size nozzle, but therer is a tiny difference in the centerbore depth. See the NAR actual thrust curves for differences in peak thrust.

The original D11-9 (SLD for Super long Delay) was designed for an astrocam carrier rocket that would go up and arc over and point straight down for a nice phot of the ground. It had less propellant than the D12 because they needed to make room for the longer delay. The modern D11 has MORE propellant than a D12 because it only comes in a plugged version. It was primarily designed for radio controlled boost gliders.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:29 AM
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Since you have either forgotten or are deliberately refusing to take responsibility for you own words I offer the following:

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Seems some have forgotten why George Lucas makes movies- TO MAKE MONEY !!!
That's the BOTTOM LINE....anyhting else is distant secondary and tertiary goals.
With that stated, I don't see anything as being ruined....George is still laughing all the way to the bank...it may be in smaller deposits, but still in the positive. I say he is smart to MILK IT FOR ALL IT'S WORTH !!!!!!
That said, I would like to see 7, 8, and 9 made as well....thought the whole 1, 2, 3 'prequels' totally SUCKED and the whole concept SUCKED.



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The B14 issue will ALWAYS perpetually be revived until someone actually LISTENS to what customers want without blathering back about some mamby-pamby safety CRAPOLA that can be countered in numerous ways. I WANT MY F'N B14's without ANY BS excuses !

Modern Country MuSICK is bad enough NOW, let alone that old-school screech-owl really twangy CRAP that it used to be. THAT guff could be rightfully classified as noise pollution !
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Please see post #33

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D11 and D12 have the same white plugs and same size nozzle, but therer is a tiny difference in the centerbore depth. See the NAR actual thrust curves for differences in peak thrust.

The original D11-9 (SLD for Super long Delay) was designed for an astrocam carrier rocket that would go up and arc over and point straight down for a nice phot of the ground. It had less propellant than the D12 because they needed to make room for the longer delay. The modern D11 has MORE propellant than a D12 because it only comes in a plugged version. It was primarily designed for radio controlled boost gliders.



I stand corrected. For some reason I thought D11's also had a black igniter plug.

I'm sorry to see that the new catalog doesn't list the D11-P, and the D11-9 is still a motor that could have some good uses; D12-0 to D11-9 in a CC Express for example.
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PO- Ride The Boot, KMA, and STFU.

That should partially fix you, but anyone that has as warped sense of reality as you can't ever be totally normalized.
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