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Old 04-11-2013, 07:16 AM
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Most folks go on and buy the rocket(s) if they are in production. The reasons are many, but suffice to say it is the right thing to do, since the manufacturer went to all the trouble to get the kit out there for us.
Scratch building, at least as I do it, is building models no longer in production.
I'm sure there are other opinions, though...

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Old 04-11-2013, 08:40 AM
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+1 on what jetlag said.... currently in production please purchase and enjoy the Manf. product.
My personal take on it is....If it has been 00P and Reissued (by another manf. or the orig producer) i have no problem with a "tribute build"....oh and anything scale is free game....the other note is...with the discount deal at everyone's favorite store for wicker furniture and popurri) an STM-012 Can be had for about 12 bucks
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:12 AM
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Looking at the Estes STM 012 kit on the Al's Hobby site, I considered the cost of cloning this thing. The tubes, rings and fins are pretty cheap for many builders who have accumulated stashes of parts - maybe 3-4 bucks worth of stuff.

If you have such a nosecone in your stash, then that's a big help. Or, if you can turn one, that works, too. But if you have to buy that cone, I can't imagine getting it delivered (mail order) for less than 5-6 bucks.

And you still don't have the decals. That's gonna be another 5-6 bucks (with shipping).

So, we're looking at a total in the range 13-16 dollars, about the same price as you can get it at Hobby Lobby using a 40%-off coupon (assuming they have started carrying it). Even if one gets it mail order and pays an additional 6-8 bucks in shipping, it saves the hassle of ordering parts from multiple vendors and re-rendering decals. (And the 6-8 bucks can be effectively reduced by adding other items to the order.)

The one thing cloners have going for them on this kit is that there are no hard- or impossible-to-clone parts.

But, for the price of the kit, I don't see any advantages to cloning it.

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Old 04-11-2013, 10:15 AM
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I wrote: But, for the price of the kit, I don't see any advantages to cloning it.
I should add, for something like this design, I'm usually inspired to change it anyway I think it's begging for conversion to 2-stage! (But booster recovery will present some design challenges!)

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I should add, for something like this design, I'm usually inspired to change it anyway I think it's begging for conversion to 2-stage! (But booster recovery will present some design challenges!)



The booster is a bit long for gap staging. Light the second stage with electronics.

Or if you have superhuman gap staging skills, then cluster the booster to get additional ejection charges for recovery.


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The booster is a bit long for gap staging. Light the second stage with electronics.

Or if you have superhuman gap staging skills, then cluster the booster to get additional ejection charges for recovery.
Those are the thoughts I had, Bill. Use a cluster with one or two motors ducted to light the sustainer and the remaining motor(s) to eject the booster recovery. Or use electronics.

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