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Old 09-22-2010, 04:21 AM
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Looking at the laser-cut balsa fin set (see: http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...p?idproduct=179 ) for the "Retro-Repro" Semroc Swift model rocket kit (see: http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...s.asp?SKU=KV-24 ), I noticed that the fin set has 4 fins while the kit is illustrated as being built with 3 fins. Also, the illustration of the Swift in the Semroc catalog (in the May 1970 issue of Astronautic Modeler, see: http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...70semroc34.html ) shows it with what looks like 4 fins. Did the original Swift kits have 4 fins? If so, the "extra" fin would enable the builder to build it as either version, rather like the Black Brant VB (with 3 fins) versus the Black Brant VC (with 4 fins).

In addition, the kit specifications page in the 1970 Semroc catalog (see: http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...570semroc8.html ) says that the original Swift was 12.5" long (0.6" longer than the 11.9" long "Retro-Repro" version). I'm sure this is due to the 9" long ST-790 tube being used in the new kit, as it is a standard length that is also used in other "Retro-Repro" kits. (I'm certainly not criticizing Semroc for this; why increase their already-large total number of in-stock tubing lengths when they don't have to, since the slight difference in the new Swift kit's length causes no stability problems nor any noticeable difference in its appearance?)
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Old 09-22-2010, 02:11 PM
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The original only had three fins. When we first started back up, I included the extra fin because there was room on the fin sheet and it provided a spare. The original 1/16" balsa would break easily. Later batches of the Swift only have three fins on the sheet.

The length was incorrect from the beginning. I think the original prototype in 1965 or 1966 used the Estes BNC-20N, long before we did the nose cone machine. The closest we got to the 20N with the new machine was 2.1" long. I thought someone had gone back and corrected the lengths once we had the production nose cones, but it was missed. The only tube we had close to it was 9.0" long, We did not cut tubes back then, but ordered them all to length.
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The original only had three fins. When we first started back up, I included the extra fin because there was room on the fin sheet and it provided a spare. The original 1/16" balsa would break easily. Later batches of the Swift only have three fins on the sheet.
Carl, I thank you for shedding light on this! When I order mine (when I have the funds in a few days), I'll probably paper-laminate its fins (to save time on sanding & sealing as well as to strengthen the fins).
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The length was incorrect from the beginning. I think the original prototype in 1965 or 1966 used the Estes BNC-20N, long before we did the nose cone machine. The closest we got to the 20N with the new machine was 2.1" long. I thought someone had gone back and corrected the lengths once we had the production nose cones, but it was missed. The only tube we had close to it was 9.0" long, We did not cut tubes back then, but ordered them all to length.
I'm not 100% sure I'm following you here. Do you mean that the original prototype Swift (made using BT-20 tubing and a BNC-20N nose cone) was 12.5" long, but that the production Swifts (made from 1968 - 1971, as well as today's "Retro-Repro" Swifts) were/are all 11.9" long (but the 12.5" length given in the old Semroc catalogs was never changed) because your production Swift nose cones were/are shorter (2.1" long)? I apologize for getting "down in the weeds" regarding these details, but I'm fascinated by current-production kits with such long histories behind them!
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... Do you mean that the original prototype Swift (made using BT-20 tubing and a BNC-20N nose cone) was 12.5" long, but that the production Swifts (made from 1968 - 1971, as well as today's "Retro-Repro" Swifts) were/are all 11.9" long (but the 12.5" length given in the old Semroc catalogs was never changed) because your production Swift nose cones were/are shorter (2.1" long)?
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Correct.
Very good! Thank you again for clearing up my understanding of the Swift's development.
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