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Old 01-01-2011, 07:15 PM
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NCR produced two different Corporals that I know of. I have both of them. One is approximately 2" and the other 2.6" in diameter. Both sizes of mine came with regular plastic nose cones.
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Yes, it all depenes on the time frame when you ordered the NCR kits, as to what nose cone type you got. The original cones were all Aerofoam, but the chemicals that made it up were ozone-producing and went out of production, so we switched to plastic cones. We used the Ace 4" cone for may years, and it was the first plastic cone we put in kits.

The original NCR Corporal was a 1.88" diameter; the later version was a 2.6" design.

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Old 01-02-2011, 04:43 AM
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Yes, it all depenes on the time frame when you ordered the NCR kits, as to what nose cone type you got. The original cones were all Aerofoam, but the chemicals that made it up were ozone-producing and went out of production, so we switched to plastic cones. We used the Ace 4" cone for may years, and it was the first plastic cone we put in kits.

The original NCR Corporal was a 1.88" diameter; the later version was a 2.6" design.

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Old 01-02-2011, 04:04 PM
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Issue with NCR is the rights and legalities of posting, as I understand - ( Owners not wanting it posted online ? ) . but definately interested in anything you can share man to man ( and would share as asked ) - the Corporal would be nice, I have one of those foam cones with no home currently, might be neat to use the lil orphan on something.



Who actually owns the NCR IP today?

Estes?

The original owners of NCR with Estes granted rights to use it?

Each party owns part of it?


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Old 01-02-2011, 04:33 PM
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My AAA Magnum Penn Crude had one of those giant bottle-cones. Sadly, it got crunched during the first of the Crude's crashes. I think I replaced it with a LOC cone.

I remember those foam cones. I had a Corporal and a Quantum II. I can't says as I was a big fan of the cones, but it was an interesting technology.
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:15 PM
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Since I cannot post on TRF, the weenie channel to say how bogus this is, here is the thread:

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=17733

The rocket plan at issue is a custom kit by HSR/Buck and NOT an Ace kit. It is not an Ace Allegro of any description.

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If it's bogus, I sure didn't know it was when I bought it. HSR ( during Gary Price's time ) had several other kits that were most definitely ACE. I bought an Allegro 2600 as well, with the balsa NC. I assume it was legit, it had an ACE header card.

Yeah, I know, a header card ain't much. I will have to see if I have the instructions in all of my junk. In any case, it is a cool rocket and I have enjoyed flying it over the years.

Did HSR/Buck issue any other kits you know of?

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Old 01-03-2011, 10:31 AM
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Jerry-

If it's bogus, I sure didn't know it was when I bought it. HSR ( during Gary Price's time ) had several other kits that were most definitely ACE. I bought an Allegro 2600 as well, with the balsa NC. I assume it was legit, it had an ACE header card.

Yeah, I know, a header card ain't much. I will have to see if I have the instructions in all of my junk. In any case, it is a cool rocket and I have enjoyed flying it over the years.

Did HSR/Buck issue any other kits you know of?

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The issue here is Korey Kline Ace kits and Steve Buck Ace kits. I presume Steve used readily available components to make previously unseen kits and called them Ace under his license agreement. I am not calling those historical. But they are certainly HSR OOP kits.

I believe HSR made other kits too. But they were parts and plan in a bag style, not full instructions and packaged for brick and mortar retail sale. He was a discount mail order distributor and launch attendee.

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Post a friggin' picture.

Jerry


OK - here is

lower cone - old NCR 1.8" foam cone ... waiting for a clone project.

top cone - Jerry should recognize - ORIGINAL High Test 2650 cone ( short hand turned balsa ), got this one from Chris, and am under the impression it IS the one flown at LDRS-1.

second pic is my vintage Aero-Roc, built in the mid 80's , modified for 7 x 18mm mounts, flies nice on 7 x C6-7 . ( Note the original Payload section and nosecone were lost at some point, currently has AAA bulkhead and payload tube and custom BMS cone speced to match the Stargate cone ( original kit has cone shaped more like an Estes BNC-70 ) .

enjoy ,

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Old 01-03-2011, 05:04 PM
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The issue here is Korey Kline Ace kits and Steve Buck Ace kits. I presume Steve used readily available components to make previously unseen kits and called them Ace under his license agreement. I am not calling those historical. But they are certainly HSR OOP kits.

I believe HSR made other kits too. But they were parts and plan in a bag style, not full instructions and packaged for brick and mortar retail sale. He was a discount mail order distributor and launch attendee.

Jerry


OK, clears up a little, if they were at least liscensed legal issues, if not the original design .

Will keep track of them for posterity, OOP will someday be vintage


( I guess ,to me, vintage HPR is pre-Tripoli, for the most part, but 80s-90s Estes is now 'vintage' so why not hpr ? )


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Old 01-03-2011, 05:37 PM
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I believe all the original USR Hi-Test 2650 nose cones were handmade by Korey.

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I guess ,to me, vintage HPR is pre-Tripoli, for the most part
I fully agree.

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