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Old 08-14-2016, 10:57 AM
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Default ESTES why not a smaller Saturn V ???????

I just read on Chris Michielssen blog of another beautiful Saturn V from ESTES crashing on an underpowered motor. I admit the 1/100 scale is a nice tall and impressive rocket to look at but it's a lawn dart on ESTES motors.

Here my question. Why doesn't ESTES make a small Saturn V that would look as good if not better and work on their low power motors? Maybe a 1/195 or 1/200 scale like Peter Always Saturn V that flys with four F-1 engines attached and flys great on a C-6 motor. They have the size of tube to use. The one used in the Mercury Redstone is close if not a match for the Always Saturn. It would be a good size for display or flights. They could do a Saturn 1b to go along with it. The price would be lower which might up sale volume.

I just think it's time to downsize to fit the motors you have.
Just my two cents........
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Old 08-14-2016, 11:58 AM
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I was at that Saturn V launch and it was hard to watch.
Carl says he'll rebuild it.

The best smaller Saturn V is the Doctor Zooch kit.
It is the same size as the smaller Sat V that Estes used to produce, BT-60 based.
More detailed and the nozzles stay on for flight. It's a favorite build and a great flyer.

http://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot...DZ%20Saturn%20V
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Old 08-14-2016, 03:40 PM
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Hi Chris,
Once again I agree with you 100% that the DR Zooch Saturn V is the best stand off small scale going bar none. I like the easy of the build. The fit of the parts. He has done an excellent job of giving all of us an affordable Saturn V to fly.

I guess what I'm getting at is I have built a few of the Always Saturn Vs and I would like to see someone give us a kit that is such a perfect size with the detail that this kit has.

How meany years is Estes going to sell this kit so it sets not to be built because you read time after time of someone who has hours of getting it built only to be afraid it well crash on the first or second flight, or the ones who do fly them and report of bad flights or crashes. Everyone who reads about a Dr. Zooch Saturn V wants to build one because you hear how well it flies. Not how it crashed.

I guess that's what I'm getting at. Why does Estes give us a Saturn V that we want to do the best to build? To make it flyable over and over but doesn't have the motors to offer. I know someone is going to chime in here and say convert it to a 29mm or use an Aerotech E or F something to fly it on. I could do that but why. I think Estes should be confident the Saturn V they sell you well fly on their motors. Not rebuild it after every flight.

Once again my two cents.......
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:36 PM
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You are right, someone will chime in and say fly the 1/100 Estes Saturn V on PROPER power !
Estes unfortunately does NOT offer a truly correct motor for their Saturn V.
The smallest thing I will fly mine on is an Aerotech 24mm E18W but it flies a LOT better on the 24mm F24W reload. The "E" length 24mm F32 is a good choice as well.
If you have the old-style K-36 interchangeable mount for 3x18mm, a cluster of old C5-3's works quite well for a low flight but a 3-18mm cluster of SU Aerotech D10's works much better.
I have a 29mm mount in mine and probably will try the Estes E16 or F15, which should work ok.
I do have the proper ballast in my Saturn V to allow use of the 29mm RMS 40/120 casing.
The largest motor I have used in my essentially stock K-36 is a SU Aerotech F52T which is a full 80 n-sec F-motor. It gets up there to maybe 600' on that engine.

I think the 1/100 Saturn V is the SMALLEST size worth building.
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:56 PM
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Somebody with more cluster experience clue me in - what three-some of Estes BP motors would work with the Estes Saturn V?
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:21 PM
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Scott:

I wouldn't trust a Saturn on anything less than 3 x C6-5 (C6-3?).

That is what the first version flew on back in the day; in 1970 they offered a swap mount so you could use the new Mighty D13.

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I bought a swappable mount for the Saturn V from a company that I think was associated with YORF at the time. It has 7 x 18mm, 3 x 24mm, and 29 mm mounts. Maybe 1 x 24mm as well?

I suspect I'd be using the RMS E and F motors that Bill suggests. Maybe try a cluster of B motors (SMOKE!) if I felt daring.

However I would NOT put in a an E16 or E15; they seem so "mushy"! Great for a skinny bird, but not for anything heavy.
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Estes' 1:242 scale, BT-60 size, Semi-Scale Saturn V kit #1239 (see: http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1239.htm and http://www.semroc.com/Store/scripts...Parts.asp?ID=40 ) could be produced today as a Scale kit, using 3D printed plastic parts. It could use one 18 mm "A" - "C" motor, like the original kit did (18 mm composite "D" motors--with White Lightning propellant for scale realism--would also fit the 18 mm motor mount), or one 24 mm "D" or "E" motor (or the 24 mm C11 motors; an 18 mm motor plastic "split adapter," or a regular adapter mount, could also fit in the 24 mm motor mount), or it could use four or five 13 mm mini motors.
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