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Old 07-19-2007, 12:06 AM
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Talking Estes Shark #1111

In the photo gallery at Leo's Leisure Site:

http://www.leo.nutz.de/Rockets.php?Pictures


...I noticed the following picture:

http://www.leo.nutz.de/images/rockets/pic_shark.jpg


I kind of like this design painted silver instead of catalog white:

http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rock...75/75est46.html


Apparently there aren't any measurements, etc., available either at JimZ or at Ye Olde Rocket Plans (YORP). I just checked the Estes Nose Cone and Body Tube lists, and there's not any information there, either. However, I see it's a BT-50 design.

Leo, any chance you could measure the tubes, nose cone, and fins? That would make it pretty easy for one of us here to throw together a RockSim file.


Thanks, and cheers,
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:38 AM
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Additional info: These are the same fins as used in the #1356 Astro Bee, the #1378 Firecat, and the #1915 Harpoon...

This is the 1378 Firecat. Do you mean a different rocket, perhaps?
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:45 AM
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In the photo gallery at Leo's Leisure Site:

http://www.leo.nutz.de/Rockets.php?Pictures


...I noticed the following picture:

http://www.leo.nutz.de/images/rockets/pic_shark.jpg


I kind of like this design painted silver instead of catalog white:

http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/rock...75/75est46.html


Apparently there aren't any measurements, etc., available either at JimZ or at Ye Olde Rocket Plans (YORP). I just checked the Estes Nose Cone and Body Tube lists, and there's not any information there, either. However, I see it's a BT-50 design.

Leo, any chance you could measure the tubes, nose cone, and fins? That would make it pretty easy for one of us here to throw together a RockSim file.


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Old 07-19-2007, 11:19 AM
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Good work, Lurker. Stiletto is the same kit as the Shark, but with a standard 18mm motor mount. Estes got double-duty from this design after the Coldpower equipment was dropped.

Additional info: These are the same fins as used in the #1356 Astro Bee, the #1378 Firecat, and the #1915 Harpoon...
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Old 07-19-2007, 02:04 PM
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This is the 1378 Firecat. Do you mean a different rocket, perhaps?


Err...

Yeah, that's the one... At least, that's the one I thought it was, anyway...

I may have been thinking about the nose cone being the same as the Harpoon when I made the entry in the XEKL. Somewhere I think there is one more design in the catalog with this fin set, but I just don't remember which one right now.

So much for my last remaining brain cells...

And how is it that you posted a reply to my message two hours before I posted the original?

You hiding a time-teleporter over there?
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Cool Re: Shark/Stilletto Nose Cone

The nose cone can be 'snagged' from the "Skywriter" kit. You won't get the 'nozzle' with it, but the cone IS right!
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:07 PM
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And how is it that you posted a reply to my message two hours before I posted the original?

You hiding a time-teleporter over there?

I wondered about that myself. Perhaps I have heretofore undiscovered skills.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:21 PM
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Wink Shark or Stiletto?

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Good work, Lurker. Stiletto is the same kit as the Shark, but with a standard 18mm motor mount. Estes got double-duty from this design after the Coldpower equipment was dropped.
I was planning on putting an EM-2050 (18mm) mount in this one *anyway.*

But I see the Estes Stiletto uses a much longer main tube and *doesn't* have a payload section.


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These are the same fins as used in the #1356 Astro Bee
Silly me! I already have a RockSim file for the AstroBee! (I may have even gotten it from another thread here on YORF... or maybe over on TRF.)


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The nose cone can be 'snagged' from the "Skywriter" kit. You won't get the 'nozzle' with it, but the cone IS right!
Glen,

Thanks! I've already got the cone!
(breathless voice) "--I sanded the paint off, and *everything.*"


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Old 07-20-2007, 02:39 AM
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Jay,

here the same rocket redone and awaiting sealer:



If possible I'll check if I can scan all the parts from the coldpower kit.
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...But I see the Estes Stiletto uses a much longer main tube and *doesn't* have a payload section...


I just took a look at the two catalog images side-by-side, and compared the published lengths. The Stiletto is 22.4" and the Shark is 19.5". Roughly 2.9" longer. Maybe this change was a correction for a stability issue that showed up when the original Shark was converted to BP. The Coldpower engine may have had more mass forward of the CG (relative to the CP) than a simple BP motor would provide.

It's still the same kit, just as the 1200-Series Cherokee-D was the same kit as the K-Series Cherokee-D...
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