Hi guys, I have been off and on with the hobby for years. My dad got me started as a young kid in 77. He was talking to me about that a few days ago. He mentioned how much he liked that. Which got me to thinking, how about I rebuild those first three models he and I put together and put them up in the air. I know he would get a kick out of that. Saddly the two are out of production.

1 the Red Max I have gotten.
2. The Estes Andromeda I can't find anywhere.
3. The Estes Blue Bird Zero. I can't find either.

Can anyone ease help me find these two models?

Welcome to our forum! I'm sure you'll find quite a number of helpful answers.

The short, short version: both of the remaining models you are searching for are out of production, as you stated. Both kits do, periodically, appear on eBay for auction. Keep an eye out there.

SEMROC, now a part of eRockets.com, produced a "clone" kit of the Blue Bird Zero a few years ago. Copies of that still surface from time to time. It's possible that eRockets will make another run of them --- you might reach ou to them on their website and see what they have to say.

The Andromeda is one of the most sought-after kits from the Estes "Golden Age". You can find the plans by visiting the JimZ rocket plans site at this link: http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1273.htm Using the parts list in the plans, as well as the provided shrouds and fin patterns, you should be able to clone yourself a copy of the rocket (most, if not all, of the parts can be obtained from online vendors such as eRockets.com or Balsa Machining Services (balsamachining.com).

I'm sure others will chime in with more info. Good luck in your kit search or cloning efforts!

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Dean Fox
NAR #53946SR

---- "Wherever you go, there you are"

I can do decals for the Andromeda and the Blue Bird Zero.

You probably have decals with the Red Max.

I have the white nose cone decals for the Red Max.

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Thanks for the welcome. I'm really liking all.the information here and some of the darn funny posts about as well.
I didn't know that the Andromeda was that big of deal. I did see in one of the post that a repro of the Blue Bird Zero was made a while back. I will have to try and part them together. If I can find the kits all the better. Thank you for the help. I got a bad feeling I will spending alot of money nkw, due to all the cool stuff I'm learning on here.

sandman,

Are you doing decals by request? I had read about your issues with printers, and I looked at your website the other day and only saw the BBZ in BT-20 size. if you can make other sizes, that is definitely encouraging!

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Lee Reep
NAR 55948

Projects: Semroc Saturn 1B, Ken Foss Designs Mini Satellite Interceptor
In the Paint Shop: Nothing! Too cold!
Launch-Ready: Farside-X, Maxi Honest John, Super Scamp

parts list

A 1 JT-20C JT-20C Stage Coupler
Ordered
B 2 BT-20 BT-20 Body Tube 18"
Ordered
C 1 EW-49 EW-49 Tail Cone
D 3 AR-2050 AR-2050 Centering Ring
Ordered
E 1 BT-50H BT-50H Body Tube
Ordered
F 1 AR-2050S AR-2050S Split Centering Ring
Ordered
G 1 SP-73 -
H 1 EH-2 EH-28 Engine Hook
Ordered
I 1 BT-50S BT-50S Body Tube
Ordered
J 2 BF-73 FES-K73 Balsa Fin Set ( eRockets )

K 1 TA-73 CR-ES-K73 Ring Set
Ordered
L 2 WD-1 WD-218 Wood Dowel 1/8" x 18"

M 2 BT-50AH BT-50AH Body Tube
Ordered
N 1 WD-2 WD-112 Wood Dowel 1/12" x 12"
Ordered
O 2 LL-2A LL-2A Launch Lug
Ordered
P 1 SC-1 EC-118 18" Shock Cord ( I'd make it longer )
Ordered
Q 1 SE-2A SE-2 Screw Eye
Ordered
R 1 BNC-50J BNC-50J Nose Cone
Ordered
S 1 PK-18A CP-18Y Chute Pack 18"
T 1 SLT-108 * 108" Shroud Line
U 1 TD-3F * Tape Discs
V 1 KD-73A DES-K73 Decal ( Gordy )
W 1 KD-73B * Decal Silver/Blk. Foil ( Gordy )

eRockets should have most of the parts you will need

pdf plan USS Andromeda http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/estes/est1273.pdf

BBZ
pdf plan http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/estes/est1335.pdf
A 1 BT-20J BT-20J Body Tube Back
Ordered
B 1 Pattern Sheet
C 1 EH-2 EH-28 Engine Hook Back
Ordered
D 1 RA-2055 RA-2055 Ring Adapters Back
Ordered
E 1 SC-1 EC-118 18" Shock Cord Back
Ordered
F 2 BT-55 BT-55 Body Tube Back
Ordered
G 1 BF-1779 FES-1779 Balsa Fin Set Back
Ordered Laser-cut replacement
H 1 JT-55C JT-55C Stage Coupler Back
Ordered
I 1 PK-18A CP-18Y Chute Pack 18"
J 1 SLT-108 * 108" Shroud Line
K 1 TD-3F * Tape Discs
L 1 PNC-55AO BNC-55AO Nose Cone Back
Ordered Balsa Replacement
M 1 LL-2A LL-2A Launch Lug Back
Ordered
N 1 KD-1779 DES-1779 Decal
A 1 BT-20J BT-20J Body Tube Back
Ordered
B 1 Pattern Sheet
C 1 EH-2 EH-28 Engine Hook Back
Ordered
D 1 RA-2055 RA-2055 Ring Adapters Back
Ordered
E 1 SC-1 EC-118 18" Shock Cord Back
Ordered
F 2 BT-55 BT-55 Body Tube Back
Ordered
G 1 BF-1779 FES-1779 Balsa Fin Set Back
Ordered Laser-cut replacement
H 1 JT-55C JT-55C Stage Coupler Back
Ordered
I 1 PK-18A CP-18Y Chute Pack 18"
J 1 SLT-108 * 108" Shroud Line
K 1 TD-3F * Tape Discs
L 1 PNC-55AO BNC-55AO Nose Cone Back
Ordered Balsa Replacement
M 1 LL-2A LL-2A Launch Lug Back
Ordered
N 1 KD-1779 DES-1779 Decal

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John

NAR #91135 L1
SAM #0037

Yes, mainly requests.

The printers are "iffy" they have good days and bad days.

email me at

gagnello (at) yahoo dot com

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http://sandmandecals.com/

Wow. Thanks so much for that information guys really helps.