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Old 06-07-2016, 11:37 AM
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Default Building Back to the Beginning - Scout K-1

I decided to go back to the beginning, and start scratch building from the Estes K-1 until I get done, or give up. So, here's a build of the Astron Scout.

The special feature of the Scout is that it is a tumble recovery, by retaining the engine casing but letting it shift backwards. This is to shift the center of gravity behind the center of pressure, causing it to become unstable. This way, it simply tumbles to the ground. It also has vent holes to let the excess pressure out, instead of popping the engine case out, or the nose cone off.

Also, note that this rocket was made in the very early days of model rocketry. It uses BT30 tubes, which aren't widely available any more (I got mine from Balsa Machining, IIRC, along with the BT-30-sized nose cone). It is a very reinforced rocket, with extra thick fins at 3/16" thick, and gauze reinforcement to keeps them fins attached. The plans are available on JimZ's site.

I started by cutting the tube to length, and cutting six fins from 3/32" stock. I doubled up the fins, so that they became 3/16" thick. The wires in the photo are the piano wires that I used to make the retaining wires.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:42 AM
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One question was about the vent holes. Some plans have one vent hole, some pictures show one hole, and other plans and pictures show 3 holes. My inspection of the catalog photos indicates that the early design had three vent holes, and later models had one vent hole. So, I went with three.

I suspect that may have ended up weakening the body a bit, so the later designs only had one hole. But, in the early days, doing was the same as experimenting.

I punched the holes with a simple hole punch.

I also fabricated the metal clips using a printout from JimZ's site, and matching my Vise grips to the pattern.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:47 AM
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To hold the fins, I cut a fin alignment guide for extra thick fins and a BT30 tube.

I think the photos had the fins directly below the vent holes, so that's how I put them together.

I tacked the fins in place with Aleene's Tacky Glue while they were held by the guide.

Oh yeah, I sanded the edges just like recommended in the instructions. Usually, I'm OK with squared fins, but since these are so thick, and that's how it was done back then, I spent the extra time to sand rounded edges on the leading edge of the fins, and beveled edges on the trailing edges.
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Old 06-07-2016, 01:33 PM
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With modern motors you NEED three vent holes or it will just blow the motor out anyway. The Semroc Golden Scout repro has three and it works consistently as it should. I acquired an old but never-flown Scout in an eBay transaction that had one vent hole and it just blew the motor out and then lawn darted.

But even when they work properly breaking fins just past the gauze is a common result of landing on anything but grass.

Good choice to go with three vents.

Love that laser cut fin guide.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:46 PM
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I then added the wires to hold the motor in place after the ejection charge went off.

For added strength, this kit uses gauze to hold the fins and clips. I'm sure that I didn't have the right gauge of gauze, but as these are scratch-builds and not purist clones, I'm OK with that.

I first tacked down the gauze with a single layer of white glue - Elmer's Glue-all. The clip wasn't perfectly straight, so I used a small hobby clamp I had to hold everything flush against the body tube.

After the gauze dried, I put on two more coats of glue. It didn't really hide the gauze, or give me a good foundation to make a smooth finish, however.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:48 PM
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So, after the gauze and glue dried yet again, I decided to make it smooth. But, as with almost everything, to go forward one must go back. So, I put on a layer of filler, so as to sand it smooth later.

I think it smoothed up pretty well. And, as is obvious, made quite a bit of dust.
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:03 PM
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Nice!
I did one of these 8 years ago and only used one hole. It was not enough! I did use CA around the top after I glued on the nose.
I have whats left of an original kit(wire, gauze and instructions)
I need to find my clone now.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:04 PM
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Now, after three coats of auto build-up primer, and three coats of paint, it's all pretty white.

After I printed up some decals, its even got a name!

And, then I got in the mood for more cowbells. I mean more building rockets. I rationalized that most people don't have BT-30 tubes, but they quite likely have BT-20 tubes. I'm even sure that if we were to scour this site, we'd find recommendations to build a Scout out of BT-20 tubes, and a corresponding BT-20 nose cone.

So I did. I used the same fin pattern, but with basswood this time, for strength. I used the same length body tube, but of BT-20. For the nosecone, I used a 20L nosecone. It's 1.375" long instead of 1.5", and its rounded instead of sharp, but it's a scratch build and I had those.

Oh yeah, I also downscaled it to a BT-5 size. I want to see how an itty-bitty rocket that could handle featherweight recovery does with this kind of tumble recovery.

Now to get some time to launch these.
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:10 AM
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Very, very nice!

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Old 06-08-2016, 12:55 PM
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Nice builds!

So are you moving on to the Mark (K-2), now?

I am seriously considering starting a similar program of doing scratch builds of all the Estes K-series rockets, but in my new-found BAR-dom, I'm sort of like a kid in a candy store when it comes down to deciding what rocket projects I want to tackle. Besides the K-series, I am also looking at several scale builds from the pages of Model Rocketry magazine, a few clone re-builds of some of my favorite birds I flew in the old days, and a couple of custom designs. There are even a handful of modern Estes kits that strike my fancy....

Anyway, good job on the Streaks. Keep posting your upcoming projects!
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