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Old 04-29-2007, 08:51 AM
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I do. It just amuses me how little thought Estes put into some of the birds.


Sacrificial animals only get used once...

Estes got double-duty out of one basic design with just a nose job and some cosmetics...

Then there was the Photon Disruptor and the Proton Torpedo -- same idea...

Star Dart and Vector were simple models that flew well and looked good on the shelf. You needed to keep the power down to 1/2A and even 1/4A if you wanted to keep them. That was the problem with most of the models in the Mini Brute line and those that followed. They were more appropriate for upper-end Micro-Maxx motors than they were for low-end 13mm.
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Old 04-29-2007, 09:42 AM
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Sacrificial animals only get used once...

Star Dart and Vector were simple models that flew well and looked good on the shelf. You needed to keep the power down to 1/2A and even 1/4A if you wanted to keep them. That was the problem with most of the models in the Mini Brute line and those that followed. They were more appropriate for upper-end Micro-Maxx motors than they were for low-end 13mm.


I've still got this one, launched on an A10-3T! The streamer didn't do a whole lot for slowing it down, but it did help a great deal in tracking it, and finding it. We could clearly see where it fell, but once the other rockets in the launch cycle were done I had forgotten the exact spot, but after about 2 minutes of canvassing it was noticed by the fellow who had been crazy enough to fly a double C staged Hercules in a pretty small field in somewhat heavy wind! Man, that guy was a lot of fun... and he actually recovered the booster and payload section of his Herc, but not the main body!

RE: Two or One Piece Body: This one was a one piece, until I had to cut it open for 25yr old petrified wadding and stuck stick removal surgery!
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:54 AM
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Al,

Which reference do you have showing the Star Dart with two 3" tubes? I know Vector only used the 5.1" BT-5P -- I had an original kit, so that's a given. The plans I have for the Star Dart only show using a single tube. The scans for the 860 Star Dart match exactly the shape of the fins from my Vector.

The only differences I could determine between the two kits was the shape (and length) of the cones, and the decals and color scheme.


According to John's tube reference list on YORP

http://rocketshoppe.com/info/Estes_Body_Tube_List.pdf

having never had this kit, had assumed maybe a runing change ( ie: newer plans on YORP show one tube ) .

Possibly an error on John ( and co ? ) list, but would be the first one that's cropped up .
( and THANKS GUYS for the excellent and helpfull reference, I have it saved for use , and doso regularly when cutting tubes,saves running to each individual plan, or great for " what can I build with this tube"

Same list shows Vector as 5.0" ( and Pulsar, would have to measure my vintage builtup Pulsar, will do that today when out to the 'rents, if I remember ) .

Also of note is a 6" tube,as used on the Hawkeye and red Alert kits, so possibly Star Dart used a 6" tube in later years ?

hmm...

~ AL

note : double posting this in plans so as to get this thread back on topic and the Star Dart thread on it's own .
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Old 04-29-2007, 11:01 AM
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Never mind the Vector... I LOVE your Bandito!

I'm sorting out the bits to clone one myself (both my originals are long gone) and I'm thinking light yellow sustainer with red nose and fins... I think I'm going to clone your paint job pattern, though, carrying the fin color around the body tube below the retaining ring.

I'd love to have a proper Bandito decal to go with it. I don't have a color printer right now, though.

(Sorry for the threadjack. Now, back to the program, already in progress...)


Thanks :-)

I had a vintage bandito back in the day ( one of TWO original Centuri kits I ever had back then, Centuri was just not sold around here ) . don;t recall how it was painted, but do recall losing it to a tree at my grannies, flown from small farm field out back, with mucho trees, lost my Wizard there on first flight, too.

The paint sceme is 'semi-catalog' , witht he solid 'ring' at back you noted.

Fins from cardstock were a pain - not near as nice as they photograph , I coated them with titebond (3-4 thin coats ), made them much stiffer , and easier to finish, however, they are warped some, partly from the coating, partly from installation.
funny how the ' simple,easy, clones' wind up being a challenge, lol ...

~ AL

umm.. on topic, well nice enough here today to fly a few maybe, but doubt we'll get to fly until the 12th club launch . ( Geneseo ,NY )
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Old 04-29-2007, 01:33 PM
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Thanks :-)

You're welcome!

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I had a vintage bandito back in the day ( one of TWO original Centuri kits I ever had back then, Centuri was just not sold around here ) .

Funny, that... I got into rocketry as a 4-H project. NOBODY around here sold rockets then, so I had to mail order. I sent a letter requesting a catalog to both Centuri and Estes the same day, and I got the Centuri catalog several weeks before the Estes catalog arrived. So, almost all of my rockets back then were Centuri.

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Fins from cardstock were a pain - not near as nice as they photograph , I coated them with titebond (3-4 thin coats ), made them much stiffer , and easier to finish, however, they are warped some, partly from the coating, partly from installation.

On both of my originals, I just assembled them according to the instructions. I recently cloned the Vulcan, and on my clone I infused the leading edges of the fins with CA; I see no warping in either of the clone Vulcans I built, so I intend to do exactly the same thing with my Bandito clone.
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