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Old 11-13-2011, 03:54 PM
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Y'know, I've always considered the Phantom (1207):

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...74/74est32.html

to be an unofficial member of the Alpha family. It is the same shape as the Alpha III - same nose cone and fin can only molded in clear plastic. Of course, by this logic, I suppose the Quasar is also an unofficial member as well - it's really just a stretched version of the Alpha III with clipped fins:

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...75/75est12.html
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:57 PM
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Maybe one day I will learn how to upload photos on this site.........
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:34 PM
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Maybe one day I will learn how to upload photos on this site.........


I did it once and now seem unable to repeat the task. Maybe if I wave some rocket innards over my keyboard.....
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Y'know, I've always considered the Phantom (1207):

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...74/74est32.html

to be an unofficial member of the Alpha family. It is the same shape as the Alpha III - same nose cone and fin can only molded in clear plastic. Of course, by this logic, I suppose the Quasar is also an unofficial member as well - it's really just a stretched version of the Alpha III with clipped fins:

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...75/75est12.html


Would you include Colossus--a streched version of Maxi Alpha 3??
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:42 PM
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On the BT-50 sized Phantom....when I built one I actually cut a 5.5 inch piece of PST-50 for the body for it (the kit came with a 4 inch piece) so it would be the same size as an Alpha III. That makes a great comparison with the two side-by-side. It also leaves room to actually put some wadding inside...
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Y'know, I've always considered the Phantom (1207):

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...74/74est32.html

to be an unofficial member of the Alpha family. It is the same shape as the Alpha III - same nose cone and fin can only molded in clear plastic. Of course, by this logic, I suppose the Quasar is also an unofficial member as well - it's really just a stretched version of the Alpha III with clipped fins:

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...75/75est12.html

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Would you include Colossus--a streched version of Maxi Alpha 3??
You've both caught on to my quiz question. To recap: in either the 1979 and 1980 Estes catalogs, how many Alpha models do you count?

I count at least 5 and possibly 6.
  1. Alpha
  2. Alpha III
  3. Maxi Alpha
  4. Maxi Alpha III
  5. K-07B Phantom (Clear Alpha), and possibly
  6. Colossus (stretched Maxi Alpha III)
I briefly considered the Quasar, but decided that the clipped fins kept it out of the family. The Alpha and its kin use oblique trapezoid fins; the Quasar used clipped trapezoid fins. The two shapes are related, but that doesn't make rockets that have either one related. It might be more accurate to call the Quasar an upscaled Mark.
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... I briefly considered the Quasar, but decided that the clipped fins kept it out of the family. The Alpha and its kin use oblique trapezoid fins; the Quasar used clipped trapezoid fins. The two shapes are related, but that doesn't make rockets that have either one related. It might be more accurate to call the Quasar an upscaled Mark...


The Quasar fin can is exactly the same unit as the Alpha III, and there is at least one variant of the Quasar that used non-snipped fins. The tips were manually snipped.

Does anyone else get that "Rabbi Tuckman" sensation when reading that last sentence?
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Does anyone else get that "Rabbi Tuckman" sensation when reading that last sentence?

AIEEEE! NOW I do!
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[SNIP, SNIP....]

Source for the fin can notwithstanding, the Quasar looks more like an upscaled K-2 Mark than it does a K-56 Alpha III.
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A bit more info on the Alpha II.

Educator's kit only, never appeared in an Estes catalog.

Only sold in bulk packs, so no header cards.

Differed from the original Alpha in that it had a plastic nosecone (balsa at that time on the Alpha), balsa fins were die-cut (vs. cut-them-yourself with the Alpha) and the body tubes came pre-marked with fin placement lines. The fin lines look like ballpoint pen. Somebody who has access please ask Vern if he build a jig or machine to do that. I can't imagine how labor intensive that must have been to put those lines on the body tubes. And I don't recall ever seeing them on any other Estes kit (although Starlight did this for years).

I have no idea how many years the Alpha II was sold.

Steve

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