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Old 09-14-2006, 08:03 AM
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I have the latest Estes Redstone (2167). Since I'm not much of a stickler for detail, stand-way-off scale is fine. I built it in a weekend. I used plain white primer on the main section, and didn't bother to sand 'n' fill the spirals. The capsule got a shot of cheap off-brand flat-black spraypaint. Since the tower was molded in red, I didn't bother to paint it. After final assembly and peel 'n' stick application - I doubt if anyone could tell the difference between it and one that may have taken a month to build at the distance they are from the actual launch. BTW, use thin CA on the fin root slots. I don't know why, but Testors plastic model cement seems to have lost its adhesive power since my static display model days. Maybe they changed formula to prevent "huffing".
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:10 AM
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I have re-discovered rocketry after a 25 year absence and am purchasing some new and older rockets. I have noticed that there appear to be three different versions of the Estes Mercury Redstone. There is one that is currently for sale at numerous hobby shops on-line numbered #2167 that is 23.5" tall, has 2 parachutes (12" & 18") and is 1.6" diameter. Then there is another version - #1921 - that was avail from '84-'90 that is 28.75" tall, has two 12" parachutes and is 2.0" diameter. The last one (or first)i s #1241 that was avail '69-81 and appears to have same measurements as the new one (#2167).
Is there anything I am missing here? I am looking to purchase one that I intend to build and launch often. Any comments or suggestions as to which one to go with would be much appreciated.
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PS: I am trying to find some of my old time favourites which were The Patriot, Renegade and Sandhawk. I've been keeping an eye on ebay...any other suggestions?


Laurence, welcome back

I've got the 3 Estes versions in my lineup.

Scroll to the middle: Redstone pics ...

I would recommend you try to get kit # 1921 as it is the best and most accurate version.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:45 AM
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The Redstone price on AC Supply is great but the $10.00 flat rate shipping for orders up to $100.00 STINKS when ordering something that should ship for like 4 bucks.
I'll pay around $24-$25 for this kit, but not the almost $30.00.

I can still walk into two hobby shops within 10 miles of my home and pick up this kit for $30.00, with no waiting.
I'd rather spand $50.00 for an Estes #1921 or $100.00 for a K-41 original (I have 3 of those).

The original Estes K-41 is only semi-scale, but it is a REAL "builders" kit....when you build those fins and escape tower out of UMPTEEN pieces of hand-cut/shaped WOOD, you know you have accomplished something. It is probably the most difficult to assemble correctly kit ever produced by Estes. Compared to most of my R/C aircraft building, it is still a joke.
No plastic in that one whatsoever.

I agree that Testors plastic cement has nowhere near the solvent content it used to. I squeeze the tube out into a small jar and add to the jar 1 part Toluene to 2 parts Testors cement....it restores it to the "old fashioned" stuff and works well. I apply it with a toothpick.

If the plastic parts fit well, Tenax 7R plastic welder is far superior to the Testors stuff....it contains far nastier chemicals though....think it is Trichloroethane mixed with Methylene Chloride. Works great, lousy for humans to breathe....probably can't even get it anymore in Commiefornia or Taxachusetts.
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Old 09-14-2006, 07:37 PM
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Thanks everyone for all of the information, comments and feedback pertaining to my question about the Mercury Redstone's. It was nice to receive such a warm welcome and to see just how passionate and excited people can be about this fun and creative hobby.

I'm suer I'll be back with some other questions shortly...!

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Old 09-14-2006, 07:48 PM
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Scott,

The person who designed the Redstone wraps, and many of the other models on the Philippus Lansbergen site, is Erik te Groen. Erik's English is pretty good and he posts occasionaly on TRF under the name " te_groen31".

Believe it or not, he just started launching model rockets this summer, 2 years after he did the incredible Redstone wraps!

Definitely post a link to the Lansbergen site. And drop Erik a note via TRF and ask him to post here as well, especially about any new models. He's always working on something new, the quality is exceptional, many can be converted to flying models, and the price is right.


Thanks for telling us about the Lansbergen site! I've immediately bookmarked it...
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:54 PM
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I first discovered paper modelers on the web when I was looking for some Vostok patterns for a Bertha Bash nite with my local NAR group. Many of these models are truly incredible and I've picked up a number of useful rocketry modeling techniques by building paper models.

The best list of rocketry related paper modeling sites I've come across is produced by rocketeer Wayne Hill and is hosted on his website/blog. All my favorite sites are there plus a whole bunch more I haven't had time yet to go through.

Scott, I think it would add a lot to YORS to put up a page of paper rocketry models. Perhaps you might convince Wayne Hill to be the editor?
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:12 PM
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I first discovered paper modelers on the web when I was looking for some Vostok patterns for a Bertha Bash nite with my local NAR group. Many of these models are truly incredible and I've picked up a number of useful rocketry modeling techniques by building paper models.

The best list of rocketry related paper modeling sites I've come across is produced by rocketeer Wayne Hill and is hosted on his website/blog. All my favorite sites are there plus a whole bunch more I haven't had time yet to go through.

Scott, I think it would add a lot to YORS to put up a page of paper rocketry models. Perhaps you might convince Wayne Hill to be the editor?
I couldn't agree more. About 1/3 of my models are paper models. I make a lot of Micro-Maxx from paper and have downscaled a bunch of classics for 13mm and MMX.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:21 PM
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I couldn't agree more. About 1/3 of my models are paper models. I make a lot of Micro-Maxx from paper and have downscaled a bunch of classics for 13mm and MMX.

Of course I don't limit paper models to small ones.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:25 PM
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Scott, I think it would add a lot to YORS to put up a page of paper rocketry models. Perhaps you might convince Wayne Hill to be the editor?

I will certainly put a link to Wayne's site and that European site (I didn't see it on Wayne's list, unless I'm blind) on YORS at my next update. I'm not really looking to devote drivespace to that though. The YORS focus is more on Old Rockets.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:38 PM
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I will certainly put a link to Wayne's site and that European site (I didn't see it on Wayne's list, unless I'm blind) on YORS at my next update. I'm not really looking to devote drivespace to that though. The YORS focus is more on Old Rockets.


It's on the list... Phillippus Lansbergen..

Wayne's list is great. I used to have all those sites individually bookmarked but it's so much easier to go to just one place.
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