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I have heard a lot of this from cranky old Denver area rocketeers. All the "he screwed me and didn't pay for this and that, or this or that blew up and had to skedaddle here or there, or this or that was stolen," and on and on and on. I just chalk it up to a bunch of sour grapes, hearsay and that maybe someone was a better businessman and Capitalist and got things done. I want my model rocket history to be Happy-Happy-Happy, draped in Glory and mystique. We need or Hero's, our October Sky movie creation myths. I need to look at the photo of Vern with his Klingon beard in the '74 catalog and release those happy, inner child memories. If some little people got trampled over and left in the dust bin of History by the strong then so be it, that's the way things are. Who cares if Thomas Edison might have out flanked Hiram Maxim on the incandescent light bulb, Hiram's later inventions made the world a better place. |
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Exactly... I'm no fan of sparkies... they're fireworks IMHO, designed for effects rather than propulsion, and thus fireworks. I suppose they're fine for desert launches where the fire risk from them is minimal, but NO WAY would I EVER allow them to be flown on my place-- and if they were the clubs flying on our land would be looking for a new launch site. They've caused too many problems and they're not worth the risks IMHO. Justify it or argue about it all you want, vilify or flame me, whatever, but the simple fact is, that sparkies cause a heck of a lot more problems than they're worth... Later! OL JR
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Jerry, My magazines, like most of my old rocket stuff, are in storage in Colorado Springs while I am working in the Midwest, so I don't have access to most of that information right now. Next time I get home, I will look them up and try to get the info to you. I would love to see them on the internet so a new generation (and an old generation as well) can see them. The article refered to above from PM (I finally stopped looking at the picture long enough to READ the article.) Man, talk about hard-core rocketry! A rocket propelled by liquid oxygen and thiakol rubber? Good heavens! That was a different world from the one we now know, and no mistake. Sometimes I wonder how I ever got to be this old. Oh, I guess I got to be this old by not dieing sooner... Other than fiction, like October Skies, do you know if there has ever been a definnitive history written about those early, pre-NAR amature rocket days? The Fireman |
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It could be argued that the first commercially-available model rockets were introduced in 1947 by Wilmot & Mansour (see: www.jetex.org). The Jetex line, which even Centuri carried some of in its earliest years, included vertically-launched, parachute-recovered models such as the V-2-like "Dan Dare Spaceship" and the two-stage, scale-like "Jetnik" (or "Jet-Nik") satellite launch vehicle.
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I suggest searching for stories by Chuck Piper Ray Goodson Jerry Irvine George James You should find them on rec.models.rockets as well as the earliest Rocketry Online. I am pretty sure most of the messages which in any way disparaged TRA have been deleted by Troj and no longer exist. I do not know of a backup that is online and I seem to recall archive.org is not helpful for database stored message boards. Here is the current RRS party line: http://www.rrs.org/main/index.php?o...id=20&Itemid=33 Some groups actively delete stories by persons other than themselves as possible. So unless someone interviews the principals before they die, plenty of history will be lost forever. Jerry Last edited by Jerry Irvine : 01-18-2014 at 07:37 AM. |
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Are the old Compuserve lists archived anywhere?
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I've known Vern and Gleda since March of 1966 When Vern hired me. He is my number one hero and always will be (although Carl and Sheryl McLawhorn as well as Leroy Piester and his family come close, but I didn't know them quite as well). While I've heard some of the same stories, I place a minimum of credence in them. They all went through very lean times in pioneering and developing this hobby for the rest of us. I know of many times when they all helped their workers, customers and total strangers with no publicity or fanfare. Vern was always willing to listen and consider our ideas and encouraged us all to develop personally by example and in many other ways. They were all human in the best sense of the word and being human I'm sure they made mistakes just like the rest of us. But they went out of their way to correct them also. This is my sincere opinion, Ed Brown |
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