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Old 05-25-2014, 12:38 PM
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Default Sick and Tired of Racing safety bias

I for one am sick and tired of the bias in professional motor racing toward mamby-pamby candy-a$$ed safety at the expense of performance/speed.
Examples:

Indy Car: pit-lane speed limits & black-flags for blocking

NASCAR: pit lane speed limits, black flags for blocking, forced wing dimensions, constant part limitations to equalize cars to remove any engineering innovation, idiotic intake restrictor plates to limit top speeds on
largest tracks.

NHRA: reduction of drag race distance to 1000' from the 1/4 mile in Top Fuel and Funny Car classes.

Formula One gets it RIGHT ! Hole shot race starts, NO full-course yellow flags (limited to maybe 1 or 2 curves), no pit speed limits (slingshot in and out!) like all other leagues used to be, no 'competition cautions' EVER to equalize the field.

I honestly would like ALL racing leagues to return to their 'outlaw' roots where caution/safety are thrown to the wind for all out performance/speed NO MATTER THE COST. That WOULD get more fans. NASCAR should EMBRACE brawls in the pits, not ostracize them. NOT JOKING.

If you can't take the HEAT, GET OUTTA THE KITCHEN.

I for one would have ZERO problem with leagues having ZERO safety device requirements. If a driver wants to run a NO roll-cage death-trap with no helmet during the Daytona 500 to gain a weight advantage, it should be completely within his purview.
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:26 PM
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:19 PM
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Gh, you're wrong about speed limits in F1. They definitely are speed limited. And, they cannot have an 'unsafe release' from the pits, either. Too many crew have been hurt and killed that way. Same in NASCAR.

You'll have to live with it or not watch.
I was glad for limits in the pits when I was racing. Safety for everyone. You are defenseless there paying attention to only your race car.

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Old 05-25-2014, 03:39 PM
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Bunk.
Pit crew need to stay the hell outta the way of the cars. Period.
I'd like to see the rules back the way they were in say 1970 wher it was close to a free-for-all.
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Bunk.
Pit crew need to stay the hell outta the way of the cars. Period.
I'd like to see the rules back the way they were in say 1970 wher it was close to a free-for-all.



Really? I am not a follower of racing but I would ask if you would if you think we should lose all the safety rules in high power rocketry. What about construction rules that forbid aluminum wiring? Or maybe we should reintroduce sweat shops. I hate over regulation but no regulation only allows money and stupidity to over rule life. As long as everyone is on an even playing field it is good to be safe.
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Old 05-25-2014, 06:20 PM
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I don't like seeing safety over-ride and have ANY impact on the #1 concept in racing- SPEED.
If it reduces speeds, I would vote against it every time.
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Guess that's why you aren't racing!
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Old 05-26-2014, 02:23 AM
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The BEST kind of racing for thrills is STREET DRAG RACING. Next to no rules and blatantly scofflaw. I LIKE IT.
No helmets, no safety equipment, no regard for douchebag traffic cops, run-what-ya-brung no BS.
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NASCAR: pit lane speed limits...
I remember when the pit road speed limits were implemented. There had been an incident on pit road, and a crewman was crushed, at Talledega* IIRC. Doctor Jerry Punch, an ER physician in his day job, was calling the action on pit road. He stopped to care for the injured man, and stated later that he knew the man wouldn't make it. He tried to comfort him, to aid him and let him know help was coming.

[* Edit: It was in fact Atlanta.]

I nearly cried when Punch retold that story later. It was very sad.
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I suspect NASCAR's underwriters wouldn't insure the races without pit road speed limits. That said, I'd like to see the limits removed or raised for green flag stops, when there are fewer cars and much less congestion on pit road. That's how the green-flag pitting was done during the all-star racing last weekend. I wonder if they were testing the concept...
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One of the EE's I work with here carried tires on pit road for Nationwide races back in the 80's. He has all my respect!
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BTW, there's a racing video from the 50's or early 60's showing Smokey Yunick changing a radiator in his car on pit road during a race at Darlington. At the time, there was no wall between the track and the pit lane, with little infield in between!

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Old 05-26-2014, 07:50 AM
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I for one would have ZERO problem with leagues having ZERO safety device requirements. If a driver wants to run a NO roll-cage death-trap with no helmet during the Daytona 500 to gain a weight advantage, it should be completely within his purview.
I kinda used to think that way about boxing. I wanted to see some unlimited (or less restricted) fighting.

Now that we have it in the form of UFC and MMA, I prefer boxing. Seeing an @$$ whooping in a movie can be entertaining, but seeing it for real in MMA leaves me feeling disturbed. It's too brutal.

Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age (almost 53) but I know not to watch stuff that bothers me lest I should find myself unable to sleep.

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