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Old 03-29-2016, 06:37 PM
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What was the year that Quest heavily touted their "coming soon" vaporware 18mm D and their vaporware line of 29mm BP Thunderjets ?
I have not trusted a word from that company or spent a dime on their products since that FIASCO announcement. They never did give any legitimate explanation of those not being delivered. My understanding was that supposedly thousands were produced....better to sell at a loss than destroy them...made no sense nor did we ever get any explanation.
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Estes only had a couple minor announcements for products that did not make it since the Cylon Raider/Cygnus Probe Ship Fiascos....they "wised up".
Quite frankly though I'm surprised we got BP E and F motors from Estes which is nice, would be nicer if they were port-burners though. I thought return of the B14/B8/C5 would have been far more likely than 29mm BP from Estes.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:27 PM
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Was this plane in the R/C mag what Estes based their F-117 model on?

I'll have to look for this article. Thanks.
I don't know if Estes based their F-117 model on any other company's F-117 R/C model; I just noted that one I saw in an ad in a model aviation magazine (I think it was "Flying Models) looked small enough to be usable as a boost-glider. The company that made/makes it (E-flight?) also made/makes an F-86 model that was also shown in the ad along with their F-117 model (all of their models were made of EPP foam) and they were pretty small for R/C models. Here are links to numerous R/C F-117 models (see: https://www.google.com/#q=rc+f-117 ).
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What was the year that Quest heavily touted their "coming soon" vaporware 18mm D and their vaporware line of 29mm BP Thunderjets ?
I have not trusted a word from that company or spent a dime on their products since that FIASCO announcement. They never did give any legitimate explanation of those not being delivered. My understanding was that supposedly thousands were produced....better to sell at a loss than destroy them...made no sense nor did we ever get any explanation.
Always OVER Deliver and UNDER Promise !
If there is ANY chance of a product NOT making it to market, DON'T announce it.
Estes only had a couple minor announcements for products that did not make it since the Cylon Raider/Cygnus Probe Ship Fiascos....they "wised up".
Quite frankly though I'm surprised we got BP E and F motors from Estes which is nice, would be nicer if they were port-burners though. I thought return of the B14/B8/C5 would have been far more likely than 29mm BP from Estes.



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Old 03-30-2016, 09:42 PM
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Don't forget their German Klima engines!
Were those motors -other- than their 18 mm "A" through "C" black powder ones? Some of Quest's post-accident (at their former motor production plant) "A" - "C" motors are/were German-made, while others are of Chinese manufacture, but I don't know if Klima was/is that German motor maker. (Quest's new, paper-cased MicroMaxx motors are also made in Germany, but I don't know if Klima is their manufacturer.) Also:

Quest touted upcoming 13 mm motors (which never came out) for a while, and they even sold 13 mm to 18 mm motor adapter mounts for them. But because they were to be variable-length like the Chinese Sky company's 13 mm motors, I wouldn't be surprised if Quest had intended to sell re-branded Sky motors (the 13 mm motors--whatever their origin was--did appear on the NAR certified motors list at around that time). It's too bad those 13 mm motors never hit the market, because they included (if memory serves) a "B" motor. If Quest's new owners picked up that ball again, those motors could come to fruition.
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The Klima engines were supposed to be the new Quest engines as reported by Leo. They never made it here.
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Old 03-31-2016, 02:17 PM
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I for one know how difficult it is to bring a BP motor to market at all and am not the least bit surprised all his strong work resulted in nill and a bunch of wasted capital that would have been better off in his 401-k.

One advantage to APCP motors by comparison is the propellant is not an explosive and while some vendors ship it with explosives labeling, it burns below the rate of the threshold for even a flammable solid.

Even though I looked forward to Quest motors as well, and saw some photos of prototypes and non-rebranded bulk quantities, the compliance layer is ridiculous and designed to kill business not merely make it safe.

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All promised Quest motors released and all AVI motors re-released.

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The two I remember were both in the distant past and Estes. One was something about a Cylon fighter and the other was a neat looking rocket that had a tie in to an astronaut. Jay somebody?

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Here's the Cylon Fighter from the 1979 Estes Catalog, from the Ninfinger Productions website and the Star Booster from the 1997 Estes Catalog. Would these be the two?

Also, here's a better view of the F117 from the 1996 Estes Catalog.

They're all very nice looking products. It's unfortunate that they didn't meet market.
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Here's the Cylon Fighter from the 1979 Estes Catalog, from the Ninfinger Productions website and the Star Booster from the 1997 Estes Catalog. Would these be the two?

Also, here's a better view of the F117 from the 1996 Estes Catalog.

They're all very nice looking products. It's unfortunate that they didn't meet market.
Today's 3D printing technology could make these models "come to life," so to speak (more on this below). Thank you for posting those scans--I knew when the Cylon Raider was in an Estes catalog, but I couldn't recall when the F-117 and the Star Booster were. Also:

Buzz Aldrin's Star Booster, which his now-apparently-defunct company, Starcraft Boosters, Inc., designed (see: https://www.google.com/#q=Buzz+Aldrin+Star+Booster and https://www.google.com/#q=starcraft+boosters ), went through a few design iterations during the project's lifetime. They also test-launched sub-scale models of the various designs, using large consumer rocket motors for propulsion. The version of the Star Booster that the never-released Estes kit depicted (and possibly the other versions) would have used a Russian Zenit LOX/kerosene-powered first stage, which would have slid into the booster's aluminum airframe. In addition:

There is more information on this Star Booster version--the model kit as well as the full-scale vehicle--*here* (see: http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showthread.php?t=6631 ), and mojo1986's Reply #6 includes the kit's specifications. Knowing these, Aerobotix (see: http://www.shapeways.com/shops/cesp...0#more-products ) or Boyce Aerospace Hobbies (see: http://boyceaerospacehobbies.com ) could produce a Star Booster model (using the material on it that's available online). Now:

Such a model, with a thin-walled 3D printed plastic fuselage (plus Zenit display nozzles) and balsa wings and tail surfaces, could be flown as a boost-glider with a rear-ejecting motor pod. The pod could be ballasted up front (as with the Estes Space Shuttle #1467, see: https://www.estesrockets.com/media/...ACE_SHUTTLE.pdf ) and be parachute-recovered. One or two "auxiliary" fins (made of clear plastic or balsa) could be affixed to the rear end of the Star Booster's motor pod (which would protrude a couple of inches out the back end of the fuselage), to ensure the model's stability about all axes during the rocket-powered and pre-ejection coasting portions of its ascent. I would happily buy several of these Star Booster kits (they would be classified as Concept Scale models) if someone produced them, and I think many other folks would buy them, too.
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