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Old 04-18-2018, 02:48 PM
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I'm also of the opinion that if you own a certain piece of property and YOU as the owner decide to evironmentally RUIN it, that should be perfectly within YOUR individual purview with zero outside influence/control. I don't think you should have to do squat as far as disclosure regarding that if you choose to sell. That should be up to a BUYERS investigation. If directly asked questions, the seller should have to truthfully answer, but volunteer nothing.

Caveat Emptor, pal !
Since I wouldn't want that done to me, I would not and could not do such a thing to someone else. Also, what if a seller didn't want to answer truthfully and lied, feeling no need to be honest? I have met such amoral people, and I wish I hadn't. (A disabled Vietnam veteran friend of mine has the misfortune to live next to a family of such vipers [their kids are that way, too], who for years took advantage of his near-total inability to say "No" to their 'sponging' off him, because of his PTSD and kind nature. Finally last year, they--increasingly taking advantage of him due to their growing boldness--made him so angry [having PTSD, he avoids getting angry, because of the danger to himself and to others] that it "broke the spell," and he now can refuse their demands.) Also:

What you are advocating here is the "photographic negative" of totalitarianism. Just as it is possible to be too controlled--having no freedom at all--it is also possible to be too *free*--that state of affairs is called ^libertine^ rather than a state of liberty, and it is more commonly known as chaos. In addition:

Societies require *some* enforced rules, because some individuals are dishonest and even evil, and will take advantage of or harm others. Good people require no external laws to control their behavior--*IF* they are self-controlled. I say of myself, "I'm not a law-abiding citizen; I am a conscience-obeying person" (I am not perfect at this, of course, but being my own judge and punisher, which makes sleep very difficult and makes me unable to enjoy even simple pleasures for long periods after a moral failure, if I can't make it right, is miserable). Human beings often think of good and bad, and desirable and undesirable, as being at the opposite ends of a continuum, which can be represented thus:

[Good (Desirable)] <--------------------------> [Bad (Undesirable)] *But*:

What is good (or desirable) actually lies ^between^ *two* bad (undesirable) extremes. In general terms, harmony lies between the two extremes of order and chaos, like this:

[Order] <-------------> [Harmony] <-------------> [Chaos] Now, labelled to represent the particular case under discussion here, it is as follows:

[Totalitarianism (*no* freedom)] <-------------> [Liberty] <-------------> [Libertinism (*total* freedom)] In addition:

The precise position of harmony (or liberty) between the extremes is not necessarily *exactly* between them. Just as the optimum rates of respiration and heartbeats (and the optimum body temperature) are not fixed, but vary depending on numerous external and internal factors, so does the optimum "liberty point" vary due to many factors. For example, a high-crime area requires a larger police presence to be as peaceful as a low-crime area, a city (or state or nation) with a more habitually power-grabbing government requires more citizen activism for them to preserve their liberty, and so on, and:

Liberty and harmony in societies, like our personal health and well-being, exist in a state of dynamic equilibrium. The only times when extreme measures (such as the American Revolution) are desirable are when the situation is so out of balance--or no balance exists--that major "attitude correction or midcourse correction burns" are necessary to maintain (or create) a state of liberty and harmony.
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Old 04-18-2018, 04:35 PM
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I MUCH prefer TOTAL INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY over anything else.
The current justice system we currently have is one miniscule wedge below a totalitarian police state.
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I MUCH prefer TOTAL INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY over anything else.
The current justice system we currently have is one miniscule wedge below a totalitarian police state.
Knowing people from Bulgaria (during the Warsaw Pact days), Cuba, and the former East Germany, we're not ^that^ close to a totalitarian police state, but a segment of the population is working hard to achieve the dubious honor of exceeding them, through capricious--rather than equal--application of the law.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:37 AM
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We have FAR too much regulation of personal/individual freedom in the name of "collective/societal" good and far too LITTLE corporate/business regulation.
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We have FAR too much regulation of personal/individual freedom in the name of "collective/societal" good and far too LITTLE corporate/business regulation.
I agree, but the "economic Wild West" mores that you advocated before (regarding selling land) go too far in the other direction, being too much of a good thing.
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I prefer "liberTINE" / Chaos / a lil ANARCHY/MAYHEM instead of the over-regulation of INDIVIDUAL freedom.

I like the "WILD WILD WEST".
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The ol' outhouse should still be legal EVERYWHERE if YOU are the land OWNER.
Should be nobody else's STINKIN' (literally) bizznuss.
If the "fumage" indirectly wafts over to someone else's property, my standard answer of "TOUGH !" applies as the DUMPAGE was not DIRECTLY placed on their property.
Yes. I AM that neighbor.
I agree, but--fortunately--that problem doesn't even occur if the outhouse is properly built and maintained. I have used several, in Georgia and Alaska, and none of them had any detectable odor at all until I went inside them, and even then, it was quite faint. (A local horseman I knew here, the late John Hoagberg, kept his large "three-holder" outhouse active--in the microbial sense--by occasionally throwing some horse manure down into its pit. Even in the subzero winter temperatures here, this kept the pit quite warm, with the microbes consuming the solid and liquid wastes.)
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I prefer "liberTINE" / Chaos / a lil ANARCHY/MAYHEM instead of the over-regulation of INDIVIDUAL freedom.

I like the "WILD WILD WEST".
I'm sure that you do, but it's not a good idea (frontier towns didn't think so, either; they hired sheriffs and had U.S. Marshalls working in them for a reason--the people did *not* like chaos). That is the difference between liberty and libertine-ism. Somalia is an example of a libertine society, and I wouldn't care to see it replicated here (even in a Western cultural context). Such notions sound great to some young, strong, people--particularly males--in the prime of life. But if one is disabled, elderly, a young child, or a woman, it's not so great. Also:

On one of our Fairbanks radio stations, there is a local program called "Patriot's Lament" (it's on KFAR 660 AM; it is also online, and has an associated blog, see: http://www.google.com/search?source.....0.Hu34N1tdLp0 ), whose hosts--the brothers Joshua and Aaron Bennett, two young local businessmen--espouse similar views. I used to support them (and I still agree with some of their views), but over the years they have become increasingly radical; they believe in having essentially *NO* government at all, and a militia instead of the military. In addition:

They are young, outdoors-type folks. Their ideas ^sound^ very attractive, but they are relevant to the United States as it was in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries--a largely agrarian nation that no longer exists. (They even criticize those who call the police for help, advocating that people should solve their own problems between themselves. That is a good idea, *up to a point*, especially when one is young and able-bodied, and both parties are willing to discuss disagreements peacefully. But what if a 79 year-old widowed grandmother has a 26 year-old male neighbor who vandalizes her car and threatens violence if she doesn't just keep quiet about it?) As well:

Their ideas are also very "Christian-centric," which the Founders wisely opposed in government (most of the Founders ^were^ Christians, but they knew, from the previous unhappy experiences of the colonies, that combining government and religion--especially having an official church--was a bad idea). (India also has a strong tradition--and supporting laws--of secular government, which is necessary because India has so many different religions.) Being pagan myself (that is the word that comes the closest to describing my path; I'm not a member of any Wiccan, Druid, or other such pagan groups), I suspect that folks like myself--and agnostics and atheists, especially--would not be exactly welcome in the Bennett Brothers' America. In fairness to them, they gladly discuss--in a civil manner, too--viewpoints that differ from, and are even in direct opposition to, their own.
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