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Old 10-05-2017, 12:15 AM
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Hello All,

Here, on/from the Australian Rocketry forum (posted by member "Barinv," see: http://forum.ausrocketry.com/downlo...=9055&mode=view *and* attached below) is a photograph of a HAD (High Altitude Density) sounding rocket round that is slightly different--both physically, and in terms of its decor scheme--from the HAD round that Peter Alway documented in his book "Rockets of the World," and:

The CarnarvonSpace website (see: http://www.carnarvonspace.com/wiki/...ket_Experiments ) has a scan--with attribution to him--of Peter's drawing of the HAD (see: http://www.carnarvonspace.com/wiki/.../HAD-rocket.jpg ); several HAD rounds were fired at Carnarvon, and one came straight back down, as is described on the site (and in Peter's book)... The slightly different-looking (and differently-painted) HAD round that "Barinv" posted a picture of on the Australian Rocketry forum was one of the Carnarvon-launched, 2-meter balloon-deploying HAD rounds (that same picture that "Barinv" posted is included in the Carnarvon website's history article). Also:

Most HAD rounds released 2-meter diameter aluminized polyester film balloons which inflated immediately after deployment, about 120 kilometers above the Earth (see: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~woomera/had.htm ), and tracking them by radar generated the desired upper atmospheric data. (The HAD model rocket in the picture on that website was built for and mailed to the Woomera sounding rockets group in the late 1960s or the early 1970s, and this event was chronicled in a nice article in the NAR's magazine at that time [I've seen it online]; today this model is on display in a case in the Woomera museum.)
Now:

Instead of having a cylindrical "tail can" around the Gosling first stage rocket motor's nozzle (with the fins affixed to the tail can, as Peter Alway's selected HAD round--which the Woomera museum model also depicts--did), this Carnarvon-launched HAD round's first stage fins were affixed *directly* to the nozzle. (This design characteristic appeared among the later Australian sounding rockets, particularly the smaller ones; it is well-shown here, in a picture of the Kookaburra rocket: http://forum.ausrocketry.com/downlo...=9048&mode=view [and also attached below]). The attached pictures below (there are others in the thread that is linked-to immediately above) are--from left to right--the (Carnarvon-launched) HAD, the Kookaburra, the Aero-High, and the Corella (these last three vehicles were launched at Woomera), and:

Here is the opening page of the Australian Rocketry forum that these postings are from (they’re in the “Rocketry Control Room” section, along with many other interesting threads): https://forum.ausrocketry.com/index...c31eabb7310e70c . In that section of the Australian Rocketry forum (as well as here on YORF), I have posted scale data and historical information on Australian sounding rockets, which are among the more obscure suborbital space vehicles.

I hope this material will be helpful.
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:37 PM
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I would love more pictures of the Aero-High, that is the first color photograph I have seen showing the red on top of the first stage. I have black and whites of that round that distinctly show that part being a lighter color then the black.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:21 AM
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I would love more pictures of the Aero-High, that is the first color photograph I have seen showing the red on top of the first stage. I have black and whites of that round that distinctly show that part being a lighter color then the black.
So would I--the Aero-High, and Australian sounding rockets in general, are rather "thinly documented" (as a whole; some individual vehicle rounds are well-documented) in comparison with American ones. There are several people on the "Australian Rocketry" forum, particularly on the "Rocketry Control Room" sub-forum (see: https://forum.ausrocketry.com/ ), who have--and occasionally post--historical "gems" on Australian sounding rockets (and on other countries' vehicles, mostly British, that have flown from Woomera). They welcome members from outside of Australia (I'm a member myself); it's the custom there to first introduce oneself on the "Self Introductions" sub-forum.
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I do have a set of blue prints for the Aero-High, that I got from WRE and some more detailed blueprints (poor quality copies) that I got from a friend. He gave them to me because I built several different size scale models of the Aero-High and I was entertaining the idea of building one for S5 at the world championship, before they changed the rules.
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:19 PM
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I do have a set of blue prints for the Aero-High, that I got from WRE and some more detailed blueprints (poor quality copies) that I got from a friend. He gave them to me because I built several different size scale models of the Aero-High and I was entertaining the idea of building one for S5 at the world championship, before they changed the rules.
Those are rare finds indeed! Please preserve them somehow (maybe as a scale data pack--like those on other vehicles--that the NAR offers). Also, if you and/or your friend have material on any other Australian sounding rockets (the HAT, HAEC, Cockatoo, Kookaburra, Corella, Aeolus, Long Tom, etc.), you could cover mostly-virgin "scale rocket territory," as many of them have never been modeled.
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I do have a set of blue prints for the Aero-High, that I got from WRE and some more detailed blueprints (poor quality copies) that I got from a friend. He gave them to me because I built several different size scale models of the Aero-High and I was entertaining the idea of building one for S5 at the world championship, before they changed the rules.


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Old 04-29-2018, 10:59 PM
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Scans available ???
I hope so, too! NARTS would be the perfect repository/distribution service for these. Another option would be to publish them--even at a smaller scale, as long as the dimensions and any notes on the drawings were legible (or they could be numbered or lettered, with the corresponding dimensions given in tabular form)--through a POD--Print-On-Demand--publisher such as CreateSpace www.createspace.com or Lulu www.lulu.com . Neither option would cost anything to implement (he could actually make money by selling them through a POD publisher, which would handle all order-taking & shipping, and pay him a royalty on each copy sold).
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I've got some Aero-Hi prints here somewhere too. Need to go dig them out. I do recall that it included drawings of the launcher.
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I've got some Aero-Hi prints here somewhere too. Need to go dig them out. I do recall that it included drawings of the launcher.
Excellent! If the NAR still has the Super Scale category (a scale model fired from a scale launcher), those drawings would "create" a new scale subject for it. Also, I'm not 100% sure, but the HAD (High Altitude Density--it's covered in "Rockets of the World") and possibly also the Cockatoo (the post-WRESAT replacement for the HAD; both vehicles usually carried radar-tracked 6' aluminized polyester film falling sphere balloons for gathering high-altitude wind data) also--I *think*--used the same "counter-weighted" launcher as the Aero-High. If so, that would enable three new Super Scale subjects (some of the Australian Rocketry forum [see: https://forum.ausrocketry.com/index...c31eabb7310e70c ] members have built and flown Cockatoo scale models). Also:

The HAD did fly from a "counter-weighted" launcher at Woomera, as well as from a "flat box beam" launcher there, as shown in Peter Morton's "Fire Across the Desert" (a photograph of the HAD round depicted in "Rockets of the World" shows it on the "counter-weighted" launcher, which I think is [but may not be] the same one that the Aero-High flew from). The HAD round shown in the picture above (in the initial posting of this thread) is one of the Carnarvon-launched vehicles (Peter Alway described the Carnarvon campaigns in "Rockets of the World), which is on a portable launcher.
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Here are the Aero-High drawings I got from WRE back in the '70's. It only took about two hours of digging through old boxes to turn them up.

Rather disappointing how the scans came out at 600 dpi. Details are poorly readable even on my C-size prints. I guess I need to sit down and create a proper CAD drawing, especially the launcher. They also managed to scan most of them upside-down - I'll have to pdf edit the rotation somewhere. EDIT: Got them rotated.

I guess I need to do some more digging because I know I had an 8x12 photo too, but I haven't seen it yet.

I'd love to be able to add stuff to this Dropbox folder. I guess I don't know how to add general access to it, so if you can email me anything or post it somewhere I'll add it.

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