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Old 04-29-2009, 03:15 PM
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I can name that rocket in three hints...

Actually, I like the little black one that looks like a Fake Wulf.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:35 AM
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I've stared at both catalog pictures...and still have no idea which kit it is.

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It ISN'T a glider at all! Funny but his use of black paint worked the same way auto makers would mask off sections of new models they drive around the Detroit area in years past to show off next years model without giving away all the details

OK, the black rocket seen in the photo isn't a glider at all. I need to give you a little back ground before I can tell you what the model is:

In the Golden Era of model rocketry, manufactures like Estes, Centuri and the rest would take photos of almost everything they produced or did. It wasn't so much that they were protecting the history of Model Rocketry, as it was that they were protecting their intellectual property rights of their products.

Photos were chosen to promote product lines; we know this. Photos were not used sequentially all the time. Meaning, just because a photo was used in the 1971 catalog didn't mean that it was taken in mid or late 1970; it could have been taken in 1968 and used in the 1971 catalog. We see this through out early model rocket publications. If you look through the 1970's technical reports from both companies, they show models that were no longer being made and had been photographed back in the 1960's.

Now I give the reader all this setup for the following reason: The photo listed in the 1971 catalog wasn't taken in 1970, or even 1969; it was taken in 1968! A full two years before the 1971 catalog was released; and most likely 18 months before they started working on the 1971 catalog.

So now, what IS the 'Black Mystery' rocket in the 1971 catalog photo you ask? Well I can either make a guessing game out of this or just tell you I think I will make a game of it!

I will provide you a hint: The 'Black Mystery' rocket finally was produced in its final retail configuration and is actually in the 1969 catalog!!!

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/no...a/69cenp97.html

Remember my long winded explanation of car manufactures protecting what a model looks like by using black paints and masking off areas of the car to 'hide' details? Lee used the same methodology with a particular design, and finally released it retail in 1969. Two years before the photo that was taken in 1968 was published in the 1971 catalog,

Come on now, put on your thinking caps and figure out what that 'Black Mystery' rocket was; it IS in the 1969 catalog photo I have linked above; well its final retail configuration is in the 1969 catalog.

This should be interesting ... or maybe not

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Old 04-30-2009, 07:42 AM
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There's one on the designer Special cover:

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/no...a/69cenp74.html

The X-21 is in the picture

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/no...a/69cenp34.html

But the "mystery rocket" at issue is the Centuri Space Shuttle.

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...1d/71dcenb.html

The "blackout" was done because the final decals were not done and the mock-up painting completed.

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Old 04-30-2009, 07:43 AM
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Remember my long winded explanation of car manufactures protecting what a model looks like by using black paints and masking off areas of the car to 'hide' details? Lee used the same methodology with a particular design, and finally released it retail in 1969. Two years before the photo that was taken in 1968 was published in the 1971 catalog,

Come on now, put on your thinking caps and figure out what that 'Black Mystery' rocket was; it IS in the 1969 catalog photo I have linked above; well its final retail configuration is in the 1969 catalog.

Well, since it was released in '69, I went to my handy dandy Centuri Kit List I have up on www.rocketshoppe.com and looked up all the '69 kit releases. Here they are. If it came out in '69, it has to be one of these models:

FireFly
Astro-1
X-21
Swift
The Point
Tomahawk
Marauder
Laser-X
Little Joe II
Saturn 1B
Saturn V
Nike Smoke
V2
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:39 AM
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Taking Scott's release list of 13 kits and comparing it to the back cover photo, I can immediately eliminate the following 9 kits:

Swift
The Point
Tomahawk
Laser-X
Little Joe II
Saturn 1B
Saturn V
Nike Smoke
V2

That leaves us with 4 possible kits:

FireFly
Astro-1
X-21
Marauder

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Old 04-30-2009, 10:20 AM
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Taking Scott's release list of 13 kits and comparing it to the back cover photo, I can immediately eliminate the following 9 kits:

Swift
The Point
Tomahawk
Laser-X
Little Joe II
Saturn 1B
Saturn V
Nike Smoke
V2

That leaves us with 4 possible kits:

FireFly
Astro-1
X-21
Marauder

Greg


The Firefly is in the photo - front and center, just to the right of the Mach-10. Isn't that an Astro-1 immediately above the Mach-10?

It's certainly not an X-21. No amount of black paint could disguise that. Plus, Bob said it wasn't a glider.

My first thought was that it was a Marauder with smaller booster fins, but I had talked myself out of it. Maybe that's what it is after all. It sure does look like the Space Shuttle orbiter on a different booster, though.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:21 AM
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There's one on the designer Special cover:

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/no...a/69cenp74.html

The X-21 is in the picture

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/no...a/69cenp34.html

But the "mystery rocket" at issue is the Centuri Space Shuttle.

http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/ca...1d/71dcenb.html

The "blackout" was done because the final decals were not done and the mock-up painting completed.

Jerry


Except Bob said it's not a glider.

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Old 04-30-2009, 04:49 PM
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Yeah, it doesn't look like a glider. It looks more like a big front fin rocket like the in one of those old black and white sci-fi movies.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:25 PM
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Anyone who's ever built a Centuri Space Shuttle knows it isn't a "glider."
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:29 PM
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My money is on the Designer's Handbook.
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