Let us examine the ramifications of such a "no foreign rockets" policy, were Estes to implement it.

*Hums a medley of "Beasts of England" and "The Internationale"*

That would mean no classic kit re-issues or brand-new kits of the following rockets and missiles that were/are used by or in the United States (this list is by no means exhaustive):


SOUNDING ROCKETS:

Black Brant II (Canadian, test flown at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility)
Black Brant III (Canadian, used by NASA and the U.S. Navy)
Black Brant IV (Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant V (Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant VIII (partly Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant IX (partly Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant X (partly Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant XI (partly Canadian, used by NASA)
Black Brant XII (partly Canadian, used by NASA)
Bumper-WAC (partly German, used by the U.S. Army)
Skylark (British, used by NASA)
V-2 (German, used by the U.S. Army)

MISSILES:

ENTAC (French, used by the U.S. Army)
Roland (Franco-German, used by the U.S. Army)
SS-10 (French, used by the U.S. Army)
SS-11 (French, used by the U.S. Army)

SATELLITE LAUNCH VEHICLES:

Ariane 5 (European, used by US satellite manufacturers)
Long March (Chinese, used by US satellite manufacturers)
Proton (Russian, used by US satellite manufacturers)
Volna (Russian, used by the US Planetary Society)

MANNED SPACECRAFT & LAUNCH VEHICLES:

Soyuz (used by NASA)

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Anything used or partially manufactured by a US agency or company, I don't consider foreign.

All of those listed directly above except the V2, Soyuz and Ariane would not matter one iota to me if they were ever kitted as most of them I see as quite frankly boring anyway.
The entire Black Brant series except the IV are pretty much boring 3/4FNCs.

Anything even remotely related to military hardware from France is permanently banned as far as I'm concerned; their military hardware does not have to work as they would not know what to do with it anyway.

I have no interest in any sort of chinese rocketry that does not have a long stabilization stick attached to it.

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Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !

This good to hear. I love the old models just as much as the next guy, but I love hearing about new models. Thanks for the update and keeping folks "in the loop"

I'm sure Toyota wishes more Americans would apply that definition of "foreign" to their cars that are built at US Toyota factories. :-)The BBVIII, BBIX, BBX, BBXI, and BBXII are all multi-stage vehicles with body reducers, stage separation drag plates, and other details that make them much more than 3FNC/4FNC models.They sure do know what to do with it--they *sell* it and make profits from it! Besides, Estes has already produced scale kits of the French Exocet missile, so the "gallic precedent" has already been set! :-)Then you'll have to give up model rocketry except for using Aerotech motors...our black powder motors are, when all is said & done, nothing more than glorified Chinese black powder skyrocket motors (some of which are made in China, for Quest) with fancier "fuses"...and no sticks.

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I already use probably 75% Aerotech for my flying now anyway.
Much more value per n-sec.

Last I checked, Estes still continues to produce their BP motors here.
I have bought a total sum of ZERO Quest motors since they have been produced in China; bought the same number of China-produced Estes kits. See no reason to change that behavior either.

About the only thing I willingly buy that is produced in china is my yearly firework supply.

As far as Toyota goes, I'd never apply that definition to them.
In my book any vehicle produced by a NON-US headquartered company is foreign.
Other than a select few EUROPEAN brands, I consider them to be PIECE OF CRAP traitorous JUNK HEAPS that should be legally STOLEN from the idiots/jackwagons/clowns/TRAITORS that buy them and then ran off cliffs just for kicks. I'd actually like to see such mentioned activity LEGALIZED !!!!

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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!!

Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't !
Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !

Love you too! Of course, those names could also be applied to the American car manufacturers and the unions that control them. American cars are as junky as their foreign owned counterparts....perhaps even more so. I so wish it wasn't this way, but I have owned enough "American" cars, and have too many friends and family that do, which have presented me with more than enough evidence.

I have two rules when it comes to land transportation.

1) Will never buy a car from a foreign-headquartered company not named Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Bentley, McLaren, Aston-Martin, or Rolls-Royce (there may be a couple I missed, but most will get the drift)

2) Will never buy any production american-made motorcycles (especially Hardly-Movingsons) as with the exception of ONE Buell power-plant they are all ill-sounding crates that shake like out of balance paint-mixers.

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When in doubt, WHACK the GAS and DITCH the brake !!!

Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't !
Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, TURMOIL, FIASCOS, and HAVOC !

**NOTE: THIS IS PART 1 OF A THREE-PART POSTING** To kick in a little TVC (Thrust Vector Control) to get this thread back on course, err...topic for John Boren, here are additional scale model rocket subjects (most of which have never been depicted in kits):

From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 1999 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup1999.php ):


Ex-USSR:

V-1-Ye

United States:

Private A
Aerobee 300A
Super Chief
Titan II SLV

France:

Centaure
Eridan

Japan:

Pencil
Baby

Australia:

Long Tom
Aeolus

Canada:

Black Brant VC
Black Brant IX

Spain:

Flamenco


From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 2000 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup2000.php ):


United States:

Arcon
Astrobee F
Scout X-1
Blue Scout Junior
Blue Scout

Japan:

LS-A
H-II

India:

Rohini RH-200
ASLV
PSLV

Brazil:

VS-40

Canada:

Black Brant VII

Indonesia:

RX-200-LPN

Europe:

Ariane 5


From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 2001 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup2001.php ):


United States:

NACA RM-2 (11 versions)
NACA RM-10
NACA E-17 (3 versions)
2.25" aircraft rocket with twisted fins
Hermes A-3A
Hermes A-3B
10" spherical motor (2 versions)
Planetary Entry Parachute Program aeroshell (2 versions)
WASP
Terrier-Malemute

Czechoslovakia:

Sonda S1-S2

South Korea:

KSR-I

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HERE IS PART 2 OF 3:


From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 2002 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup2002.php ):


Soviet Union:

V-5-V with VGAS payload

United States:

Doorknob (both single-stage and two-stage versions)
Mercury Beach Abort test
Hawk Motor Test Vehicle and Orion
EAC Hyperion
Atlas-Agena A

France:

Dauphin

England:

Black Knight (two-stage Dazzle variant)

Australia:

Jaribu Mk. 2

Canada:

Black Brant I
Black Brant VIII
Black Brant XII


From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 2003 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup2003.php ):


United States:

Hopi-Dart
ALSOR
Atlas-Fire
Nike-Orion
Taurus-Orion
Areis (including Conestoga 1)
Athena I (formerly LLV and LMLV)
Atlas II

Japan:

S-520
SS-520

Canada:

Black Brant VI

Poland:

Meteor-2H


From Peter Alway's "Rockets of the World: 2004 Supplement" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw_sup2004.php ):


Russia:

Soyuz-Fregat

United States:

Aerobee 100 (Aerobee Junior)
Nike-Iroquois (NIRO)
Raven
Javelin III
Hydac
Terrier-Nike
Athena H
Atlas-Agena B

England:

Skua
Fulmar

Switzerland:

Zenit

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HERE IS PART 3 OF 3:


From Peter Alway's "Twelve Soviet Missiles of the Cold War" (see: http://www.arapress.com/12sm.php ):

Korolev R-1 (SS-1A Scunner--the Russian V-2)
Korolev R-2 (Pobeda, SS-2 Sibling, stretched V-2)
Korolev R-5 (SS-3 Shyster)
Korolev R-7 (Semyorka, SS-6 Sapwood, first stage of Vostok and Soyuz)
Korolev R-11 (SS-1B Scud A)
Korolev R-17 (SS-1C Scud B)
Yangel R-12 (SS-4 Sandal, Famous from Cuban Missile Crisis, first stage of small Cosmos satellite launcher)
Yangel R-14 (SS-5 Skean, first stage of large Cosmos satellite launcher)
Lavochkin V-300/R-113/S-25/Berkut (SA-1 Guild)
Lavochkin V-750/S-75/Dvina (SA-2 Guideline)
Lavochkin S-125/Neva/Perchora (SA-3 Goa)
Lavochkin V-1000/RZ-25 (Griffon anti-missile missile)


And now, "The Mother Lode," Peter Alway's Magnum Opus--"Rockets of the World: Fourth Edition" (see: http://www.arapress.com/rotw.php ):

Section 1 - Rockets of Germany:

•A-3
•Maul Camera Rocket
•OTRAG 1
•V-2 (A-4)
•Winkler's HW-2

Section 2 - Rockets of Ex-USSR:

•Cosmos (B-1/SL-7)
•Cosmos (C-1/SL-8)
•Energiya-Buran (K-1/SL-17)
•GIRD 09
•GIRD X
•M-100B
•MR-12
•MMR-06
•MR-20
•N1 (G-1/SL-15)
•Proton (D-1e/SL-12)
•Soyuz (A-2/SL-4)
•Sputnik (A/SL-1, SL-2)
•Tsyklon (F-2/SL-14)
•V-2-A
•R-14 (Vertikal 4)
•V-5-V
•V-11-A
•Vostok-Luna (A-1/SL-3)
•Zenit (J-1/SL-16)

Section 3 - Rockets of United States:

•Aerobee
•Aerobee-Hi/150
•Aerobee 300 (Spaerobee)
•Aerobee 150A
•Aerobee 350
•Astrobee 500
•Astrobee 1500
•Astrobee D
•American Rocket Society ARS-2
•Apollo Pad Abort Test
•Arcas
•Sparrow-HV Arcas
•Argo D-4 Javelin
•Aries
•Asp
•Atlas-Agena
•Atlas-Centaur
•Atlas-Score
•Bumper
•DC-X
•Deacon
•Deacon Rockoon
•Delta B
•Delta E
•Delta M
•Delta II
•Goddard's March 16, 1926 Rocket
•Goddard's L-16
•Goddard's A-5
•Hermes RV-A-10
•IRIS
•Juno 1 (Jupiter C)
•Jupiter
•Juno II
•Little Joe I
•Little Joe II
•Loki Rockoon
•Loki HASP
•Super Loki Dart
•Mercury-Atlas
•Mercury-Redstone
•MX-774
•Nike-Deacon
•Nike-Cajun
•Nike-Asp
•Nike-Apache
•Nike-Tomahawk
•Nike Smoke
•Pegasus
•Ram B
•Sandhawk
•Terrier-Sandhawk
•Saturn I
•Saturn IB
•Saturn V
•Scout
•Shotput
•Space Shuttle
•Sparta-Wresat
•Terrapin
•Thor-Able
•Thor-Agena A
•Titan IIIC
•Titan IIIB
•Titan IIIE
•Titan IV
•Gemini-Titan II
•IQSY Tomahawk
•D-Region Tomahawk
•Sandia Tomahawk
•Taurus-Tomahawk
•Trailblazer I
•Trailblazer II
•Vanguard
•Viking
•Wac Corporal
•X-17

Section 4 - Rockets of France:

•Diamant A
•Diamant B
•Diamant B-P4
•Dragon III
•Veronique
•Vesta

Section 5 - Rockets of Japan:

•Kappa
•Lambda
•Mu

Section 6 - Rockets of China:

•Long March 3

Section 7 - Rockets of United Kingdom:

•Congreve 300-pounder
•Skylark
•Black Knight
•Black Arrow

Section 8 - Rockets of India:

•Rohini RH-75
•SLV-3

Section 9 - Rockets of Argentina:

•Orion II

Section 10 - Rockets of Australia:

•HAD
•Aero-High

Section 11 - Rockets of Brazil:

•Sonda 1
•Sonda 2

Section 12 - Rockets of Canada:

•Black Brant II
•Black Brant III
•Black Brant IV
•Black Brant V
•Black Brant X

Section 13 - Rockets of Poland:

•Meteor 1
•Meteor 2K
•Meteor 3
•RP-3
•Rasko 2

Section 14 - Rockets of Spain:

•INTA-255

Section 15 - Rockets of Europe:

•Europa
•Ariane 1
•Ariane 4
•Maxus

Section 16 - Bibliography

Section 17 - Mail-order sources of drawings and photographs

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