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Old 04-10-2011, 11:20 PM
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Just thought you might like to see similar data for the REAL collector's kit..................

28/05/2005 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $181.28 green skill level kit
04/04/2007 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $154.51 green skill level kit
12/05/2009 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $272.00 green skill level kit

03/09/2004 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $177.50 yellow double oval hang tag
23/03/2008 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $169.37 countdown hangtag
15/03/2009 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $257.00 yellow pre-Damon hangtag

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Old 04-11-2011, 12:33 AM
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Just thought you might like to see similar data for the REAL collector's kit..................

28/05/2005 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $181.28 green skill level kit
04/04/2007 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $154.51 green skill level kit
12/05/2009 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $272.00 green skill level kit

03/09/2004 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $177.50 yellow double oval hang tag
23/03/2008 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $169.37 countdown hangtag
15/03/2009 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $257.00 yellow pre-Damon hangtag

Joe


Thanks for those data points. I can see those prices for the older version of the Estes G-T kit. I just can't understand the more recent release going for even MORE than any of those listed above. Like I said, it's strange.

If anyone out there has a special passion for the latter version of this kit, can you share with us the particular 'draw' to this kit? Again, not criticizing.....we all have our special interests and passions. I'm just tryin' to understand what is so special about the kit.

I guess I shouldn't question it too much; just get the one I've got (and have no interest in) and put it out for someone else to enjoy.

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Old 04-11-2011, 12:38 AM
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The K21 (1221) based on the BT-70 is a far better kit than the later BT-60 based twist-lok clear fin mess that any 8 year old could build.
The K-21 was around for a longer period of years, but I would venture to guess far fewer still exist in kit form.
The newer one was only produced for 2 years from 1987 to 1988 and the older one was around from I think 1966 to 1973 for 7 years.
The newer one pops up on ebay FAR more often than the K21 does.
Don't understand why anone would pay even $50 for the newer one. As a kit, it stinks and for collectibility it does not appear to be rare. Paying $356.00 for one makes about as much sense as paying $100 for any variant of the Mosquito kit...NONE. The phrase "A fool and his money is soon parted" comes to mind.
Whoever sold that kit for that price is laughing the whole way to the bank.

VERY FEW Estes/Centuri kits should come even close to approaching that sort of price based on rarity.
The few that do include:
Centuri 1/45 scale Little Joe II
Estes K29 Uprated Saturn 1 (not the revised K29 Saturn 1B kit)
Boxed Enerjet Athena
Boxed Enerjet Aero Dart
Enerjet 2250
Enerjet 2650
Estes Green Skill-level hang tag K21 Gemini Titan (produced 1973 only)
Estes Green Skill-level hang tag Astron Trident (produced 1973 only)
Estes Pink Skill-level hang tag Astron Cobra (produced 1973 only)
Estes Green Skill-level hang tag Astron Sky Dart (1973 to 1977 production)
Estes Green Skill-level hang tag Astron Nighthawk (produced 1973 only)
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:49 AM
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Another Kit that is starting to bring in consistently higher numbers is the Estes Mercury Atlas... They routinely went for $50-$80 for awhile, but the last unopened one that I saw sold for around $167.00. Then one that was opened and started went for $110.00... Crazy!
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Old 04-12-2011, 11:09 AM
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The smaller GT was only around for 2 years. It has unique plastic parts that were not used on other kits. You can clone the K-21 easily. All those things make collectors see the value of this kit differently than folks who buy kits to build and fly.

That being said, I think it's a high price and I personally wouldn't pay it. But then I'm not a collector and what folks want to spend their money on is their business.

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Old 04-12-2011, 12:15 PM
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I would not be surprised if more of the later BT60 based Gemini-Titan kits were produced in the two years it existed than the 7 years the original K21 did, which would make the collectible value lower anyway.
I know the newer one shows up on ebay FAR more often than the early one.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:45 AM
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Just thought you might like to see similar data for the REAL collector's kit..................

28/05/2005 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $181.28 green skill level kit
04/04/2007 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $154.51 green skill level kit
12/05/2009 Estes #K-21 (#1221) Gemini-Titan $272.00 green skill level kit

03/09/2004 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $177.50 yellow double oval hang tag
23/03/2008 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $169.37 countdown hangtag
15/03/2009 Estes #K-21 Gemini-Titan $257.00 yellow pre-Damon hangtag

Joe


Joe,

Thank my wallet and luck for getting the Pimp Daddy Rocketry (PDR) Clones for under $50.00 each! Too bad he (father and Son company) went under as they had some nice clones!

I just wonder why they came up with a name like PDR ... what is this father and son team doing in their spare time?!?

J

P.s. You are missing an entry for a K-21 in 'line drawn' instructions with hang tag -less mylar bag ... that sold for $400.00 a little over 4 years ago.
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:22 AM
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You can get the parts from Semroc for about $20.00 absent the clear fin material. I use map tube and clear sheet from Sig manufacturing. The decals are $12.00 from Excelsior; with the nice touch of all the Gemini Titan serial numbers on the sheet. Instructions and updated patterns (prevents the bells from smooshing) are on the web, as well as the paper model wraps for the capsule. It is about as popular as it gets with the RTF crowd.

As for the BT-60 GT the fin set was also used in the Estes MX (1916) - just not the display nozzles. That model always struck me as a potential for skill level 1. Just produce the tube with a pre-printed wrap and you were 95% there.

If you want to go clone route the NC is on Semroc and the decals are probably available from Sandman - just give him a minute or two.
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You can get the parts from Semroc for about $20.00 absent the clear fin material. I use map tube and clear sheet from Sig manufacturing. The decals are $12.00 from Excelsior; with the nice touch of all the Gemini Titan serial numbers on the sheet. Instructions and updated patterns (prevents the bells from smooshing) are on the web, as well as the paper model wraps for the capsule. It is about as popular as it gets with the RTF crowd.

As for the BT-60 GT the fin set was also used in the Estes MX (1916) - just not the display nozzles. That model always struck me as a potential for skill level 1. Just produce the tube with a pre-printed wrap and you were 95% there.

If you want to go clone route the NC is on Semroc and the decals are probably available from Sandman - just give him a minute or two.



J,

Which versions of the GT's are in your photo?

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Old 04-19-2011, 11:55 AM
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These are clones based on the K-21 release with parts as described..
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