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Doug says "potential for mayhem" like that is a BAD thing. I wholeheartedly disagree.
Flights that contain at least SOME mayhem are the ones that are most interesting. Flights that could be described as "NASA nominal" are BOOOOORRRRRRIIINGGGGGGGG.
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Doug .
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You GOT it, Doug !
Other than a nice flawless Saturn 1B flight, nuthin' beats a SUPER-DESTRUCTO POWR-PRANG of another's rocket as long as no humans or animals are injured. Now that's realistic 1950's-early 60's NASA flavor ! Nyuk, yuk, yuk !
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RckSim file of Renegade
Here's the RockSim file of the Renegade with two stages, both 24mm. I'll make another file and change the side pods.
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Here's a picture of the REAL D-power Renegade !
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Okay, using RockSim with 2 D engines but no side pod engines, I get a margin over 2. Even if I remove the nose weight, I still have a margin of 2.15. Did Estes make this thing that overstable or did I miss something?
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Far be it for me to question anyone's nostolgia for an old kit as there are lots of old kits I would love to build again and I'm sure the 78 Renegade D was/is a great performer, however, IMHO, or maybe not so humble, probably highly opinionated and therefore open to debate not that my mind will be changed, but it could, ya never know, how can a 3FNC be considered more highly than this beautiful dream of a rocket?
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I just hate "rehashing" of names of classic rockets.
Nothing particularly wrong with the newer "renegade" other than I hate the catalog color scheme, but would prefer an original name.
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Well I do agree with you there. Even though I only recently joined the forums, I have had my email account here from early in the century, if not 1999. I wanted to clone a Mini-Brute Star Blazer (#831) because that was the first kit I ever built. My older brother (ten years my senior and in college) helped me build it around 1973-4. (and as an aside to all those out there who argue over paints, because we had nothing else available. he painted it with white house paint and it looked awesome to me ) Anyway I was all hyped visiting Jim Z's site because I found plans for a Star Blazer, only to have my dreams squashed because it was #K-31. I eventually did find the plans. I think it was on this very site. But now to find out Estes has a third Star Blazer (x-20 #1342).
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I'm with you on this one, GH. I built an original Estes Renegade in 1985 and flew it many times on D12 motors. When I worked for AeroTech, we were testing the new molded cases for the 24mm motors (E15 and E30). Gary Rosenfield asked if I had a stock built Estes kit which flew on 24mm motors. I told him about my Renegade model. It became the test model for the E15 and E30 motors and was flown about a dozen times in a two-hour time period. The Renegade survived all the flights. After I returned to San Diego in the 1990s, I built a payload section for the Renegade and flew an Adept altimeter in it for a few years then 'retired' the rocket. Three or four years ago, I thought about my Renegade model. I took it out of a storage box, removed the payload section and re-attached the original nose cone. I have been flying it ever since on C11 and D12 motors, the latest flight was last month.
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