Lil Augie & Augie 2

[shockwaveriderz]

Lil Augie was Plan #10 while Augie II was Plan #28. The Augie II Plan has a 1965 copyright so that indictaes to me that Lil Augie is then <1965.

Anybody know who the designer of these two models were?


Can anybody date Lil Augie?
EDIT
I can date the Lil Augie to 1962

terry dean
nar 16158

[LeeR]

I built several Augie IIs, and right after the plan came out, so this must have been sometime between 1965 to 1966. I still have the original plan, and I've recently been thinking of upscaling it to fly on D12s. I loved this rocket as a kid.

It is a fun alternative to regular 2-stage rockets -- and no booster stage to recover!

[mojo1986]

Terry, just curious..............how did you date the L'il Augie to 1962?

Joe

[shockwaveriderz]

Terry, just curious..............how did you date the L'il Augie to 1962?

Joe

joe:

I went to the JImZ site where they have a listing of all of these from 1-100 I think. SO I looked at the plans before and after the Lil Augie, and checked if they had any date identifying info on them; which they did. Plan #10 was released by Estes as a free plan to its customers in 1962.

http://www.dars.org/jimz/eirp.htm

Take a look at the source column: these plans are in chronological order.

Plan #7 came out in MRN V2 N2 which was Oct 1962 issue. Plan #8 was a free plan in 1962; look at Plans #11-12...... I happen to know that the Sky Slash design by Larry Renger was actually designed in mid to late 1962., and was 1st published by Estes in March 1963.
The Buchanan Buster was a MRN V3N1 plan; published in late 1962 actually.

So Plans 7,8,9 and 11,12 bracket Plan 10.

Does this make sense?

Now this doesn't mean that the actual model wasn't designed and or flown prior to 1962.

The air augmentation technique in model rocketry dates to at least 1960. How do I know this? Coverage of NARAM-2 and other early 60's literature mention this as being used.

Another technique I use to date designs is to look closely at the part numbers; we know for example when certain part numbers 1st appeared; this can be used to date an artifact.


hth


terry dean
nar 16158

[Bazookadale]

Have you e-mailed Vern Estes? I always thought lil Augie was his design but can't document that.

[mojo1986]

Terry...............nice detective work!

Joe

[al_packer]

Terry...............nice detective work!

Joe
The original Li'l Augie was a Bill Simon design.

[lurker01]

The original Li'l Augie was a Bill Simon design.

And a very nice design it is! Was it inspired by Jetex augmenter tube technology?


Robert

[shockwaveriderz]

Bill:

thansk for speaking up!. Where did the inspiration come from? Also have any idea who did the Augie 2?

thanks

terry dean
nar 16158

[shockwaveriderz]

And a very nice design it is! Was it inspired by Jetex augmenter tube technology?


Robert

could be Robert(Craddock?). The "NAR Boys" as G. Harry Stine called his teenager club members in the Mile-High NAR Section, were experimenting with thrust augmentation techniques very early on; probably as early as 1958, as thats when Richard(Dick) Krushnic accidently discovered the infamous Kurushnic effect. G. Harry Stine's coverage of NARAM-2 (1960) mentions a R&D report that dealt with thrust augmentation.

hth

terry dean
nar 16158

[al_packer]

The inspiration was at least three-fold: One was Harry's account of the Krushnic effect, another was my much earlier experience (1955 or 1956) with a MEW jet engine based on a re-purposed CO2 cylinder that when heated spat its contents (alcohol) in a high velocity stream into a duct where the stream was supposed to ignite and function much like a ram jet. A third contributor was the experiments with bypass configurations in jet aircraft I had read about. Frankly, as a kid I read so much about science and especially aeronautics and astronautics that I'd be hard pressed to identify everything that sloshed together in my head.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I just don't remember Augie 2. I'd have to see a picture of one to refresh my memory.

[shockwaveriderz]

Bill, thanks alot for that. Here's the link to the Augie @ over at JIMZ's site:

http://www.dars.org/jimz/eirp_28.htm

you will need a .tif viewer (quicktime will work) to view it.

thanks

terry dean
nar 16158

[al_packer]

Thanks, Terry for the memory reboot.

OK, I can take the blame for Augie 2. Illustrations were by Gene Street.