ARG T222-24 Trident Cluster Series Rocket Kit

[snaquin]

(Updated: Sunday, October 16, 2005)

Today I finished the ARG T222-24 Trident Cluster Series Rocket Kit that Taras sent to me from Naram-47. I have the review draft written for EMRR and I plan to fly it next Saturday October 22nd at the High Cotton launch in Winnsboro, LA.

Details for the ARG Trident series kits can be found here:

Advanced Rocketry Group Ltd (http://www.argrockets.com/)

I have a cluster of D12-5 for the first and second flight and a cluster of E9-8 for the third flight.

I decorated the T222-24 based on the EnerJet 2250 Composite Dynamics drawing copy by Gary Rosenfield although the T222-24 is not exactly to scale.

Phred with Excelsior used a scan I sent him of my sheet of EnerJet logo decals back in June and I owe him a big thanks for the terrific job he did on those decals! The EnerJet logo decals are available here:

Excelsior Rocketry Decals (http://www.excelsiorrocketry.com/)

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A sneak peak image is attached until I can get the flights in next weekend and finalize the review draft at EMRR.
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[Green Dragon]

A sneak peak image is attached until I can get the flights in next weekend and finalize the review draft at EMRR.
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Looks great ! :-)

still need to get the black and chrome bands on mine to mathc the CD drawings I have .

first flight would have been this past weekend, but the rain ( still :-( .. in NY kept us home and dry .....

might bring down to the Nov METRA launch,but not sure I want to break it in on exp motors :-)

look forward to your review.

(although,if you comment to Taras, please tell them to do something about the awful website, someone needs to make sure you can SEE it ALL (hard to buy what you can't see ),,and sidebars,etc WORK, so you can scroll around and see things - instead of working on adding annoying 'bloop' sounds to the sidebar menu .....
My wife has a degree as a web designer and first thing they tell ppl is no sounds, and she'd choke to view this site, eww... :-( ..... exact words when I just showed her the site " how annoying "

Sorry , had to rant, since I hear it from her all the time, it's become ingrown ....

~ AL

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Al

I checked out the ARG website again tonight.

It doesn't appear to be finished yet but appears to be reworked since I viewed it this past weekend. Hints about the future lease of the T263-29 based on the EnerJet 2650 is there.

http://www.argrockets.com/

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[Green Dragon]

Al

I checked out the ARG website again tonight.

It doesn't appear to be finished yet but appears to be reworked since I viewed it this past weekend. Hints about the future lease of the T263-29 based on the EnerJet 2650 is there.

http://www.argrockets.com/

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just checked it out , and definately redesigned.

still hard for me to navigate ( lettering cut off on side,photo over the text,won't properly scroll down ... :-(

I'm using Internet Explorer, are you using IE,or Netscape ? (or other) ?

wondering if that's the problem....

will have to look around the site more in a few ( only checked the fromt page,which has changed for certain ) ,

~ AL

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No problems here and I'm using Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7

Taras told me that he is still working on the site.

Now if I could just get my hands on that T263-29 .....

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[Green Dragon]

No problems here and I'm using Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7

Taras told me that he is still working on the site.

Now if I could just get my hands on that T263-29 .....

:D

not sure what the 'issue' is with my browser then, this is the only site I;ve noted that it acts up on .

as for the T263-29 ( ie: 2650 clone ) .... sounds like fun :-)

I had a US Rockets Hi-Test 2650 back when, flew good on F100's,F50's (SSRS), etc... best flight was a 'no-payload section' flight on three ACS / Reaction labs G72-10 - absolutely rocked :-) .... lost it, but was found nearby by an elderyl lady in her back yard , real friendly couple,too, we went and picked up the bird and chatted with em a while,etc :-)

lost that one at LDRS-6 on, again without payload section, three Aerotech G65-15's - never seen again.
got a call later that it was found miles and miles away (guy claims like 20 miles, but I think he;s mistaken where we launched form or somehting, of coure, since the launch site was at 10,000 feet plus, and the rocket thermalled over the mountains (few thousand feet higher, I'd guess ).. possible it travelled 20 miles back towards Colorado Springs / Denver ?

guessing,especially in the thin air, that 390 nsec would put a lightweight 2650 (2 - 2 1/2 lbs ?,not sure ).. say 5500 feet ?

always wondered about the validity of the claimed distance.....

~ AL

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Got one flight in this past weekend at our launch in Winnsboro, LA with (3) D12-5's. The review will be posted with the next upload at EMRR.

I sent up a batch of image links for Nick to choose the images from for the review and these are a few that were included.

RockSim estimated an altitude of 1,156 feet. I think that was a conservative estimate for a 12.6oz rocket (dry weight) with (3) D12's.

(Yeah, I know I'm an old fart)

[Green Dragon]

Got one flight in this past weekend at our launch in Winnsboro, LA with (3) D12-5's. The review will be posted with the next upload at EMRR.

I sent up a batch of image links for Nick to choose the images from for the review and these are a few that were included.

RockSim estimated an altitude of 1,156 feet. I think that was a conservative estimate for a 12.6oz rocket (dry weight) with (3) D12's.

(Yeah, I know I'm an old fart)

Looks good (the rocket ;-p )

love the decor, all done up in the 'catalog style' , witht he chrome rectangle on the payload and all ... now I'm going to have to get motivated and finish the decor on my own 2250 .

keep us posted on flights with 'more power' :-)

~ AL

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I have (3) G55-10W motors saved in my rangebox from a few years ago for it's final flight. Final because I know I'll probably never see it again.

Last time I tired to ignite a cluster of (3) G55-10's in a 2650 clone I only got two to ignite using thermalite. It did prove the one motor inert stability claim to be true by flying on only two motors. That was before Quickburst was around so I may try some twiggys if I can fit them in the slot.

I'll probably do a few more black powder clusters since I have a few packs of D12's and E9's left.

[Green Dragon]

I have (3) G55-10W motors saved in my rangebox from a few years ago for it's final flight. Final because I know I'll probably never see it again.

Last time I tired to ignite a cluster of (3) G55-10's in a 2650 clone I only got two to ignite using thermalite. It did prove the one motor inert stability claim to be true by flying on only two motors. That was before Quickburst was around so I may try some twiggys if I can fit them in the slot.

I'll probably do a few more black powder clusters since I have a few packs of D12's and E9's left.

G55 sound nice :-)

my 2250 has yet to fly, but my USR 2650 hi -test was lost as in above post ( this thread).

I have a 3 cluster (loose clone of the old ACE Eagle,using vintage CD and AAA parts), that I;ve hammered on for years (2.65" dia,3 x 24mm,looks like a LOC Viper 3) - best flight was a trio of F101-10 blue thunder motors at NARAM 37 (think it was 37,Geneseo,NY).
lit em all and bye - bye.... broken shock cord due to -10 delays (figured it would slow down fast after burnout, nope ) .
nosecone and chute lost, but booster section recovered with no damage :-)
later flight on 3 G110-15 at a MARS (geneseo) launch was really not as awesome as the F101's.. like it did not light as hard, or the G110's being newer releases are 'detuned' ... hard to say , I know the F101 is a Bates grain motor - not sure on the G110.

you note 'slots' for the G55, so are they C-slots ? ( would make me wonder about the G110, then, could be a blue thuinder C-slot ?).

I always fly mine on three thermalite " wire wrap " igniters, make up 5-6 igniters, then check em with my dvm and the closest three go in - with a good relay system and 12 volts - no problems,we've lit 7 with wirewraps, and I saw Will Safford do 12 (course the master blaster launcher by john Sicker = cheating, lol... capacitor discharge relay system that will light dirt :-)

good luck with the G55's, should be an awesome ( high ! ) flight :-)

~ AL
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G55 sound nice :-)

my 2250 has yet to fly, but my USR 2650 hi -test was lost as in above post ( this thread).

I have a 3 cluster (loose clone of the old ACE Eagle,using vintage CD and AAA parts), that I;ve hammered on for years (2.65" dia,3 x 24mm,looks like a LOC Viper 3) - best flight was a trio of F101-10 blue thunder motors at NARAM 37 (think it was 37,Geneseo,NY).
lit em all and bye - bye.... broken shock cord due to -10 delays (figured it would slow down fast after burnout, nope ) .
nosecone and chute lost, but booster section recovered with no damage :-)
later flight on 3 G110-15 at a MARS (geneseo) launch was really not as awesome as the F101's.. like it did not light as hard, or the G110's being newer releases are 'detuned' ... hard to say , I know the F101 is a Bates grain motor - not sure on the G110.

you note 'slots' for the G55, so are they C-slots ? ( would make me wonder about the G110, then, could be a blue thuinder C-slot ?).

I always fly mine on three thermalite " wire wrap " igniters, make up 5-6 igniters, then check em with my dvm and the closest three go in - with a good relay system and 12 volts - no problems,we've lit 7 with wirewraps, and I saw Will Safford do 12 (course the master blaster launcher by john Sicker = cheating, lol... capacitor discharge relay system that will light dirt :-)

good luck with the G55's, should be an awesome ( high ! ) flight :-)

~ AL
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I remember some of the old Ace kits, but not the Eagle in particular- but it does sound like you "hammered" it pretty good with those motor selections :)

Couldn't find anything on the G110's but these three G55-10W that I have are c-slots. All three were still factory sealed but I finally opened one up today and had a look. If you look inside the nozzle you can see the c-slot off to the side and I ran the supplied copperhead up into it about 6" before it stopped at the head end. These three motors have the old AeroTech Non-Std Class C "G" motor instructions sheet ©1993 and these have been in the box since LDRS XIII in 1994. I thought the sheet was cool because it had a bunch of the old motor types listed with the performance data and curves so I scanned it and posted it here. The latest revision is from 8/12/04 on the AeroTech site and neither sheet has a diagram showing the G55 special igniter installation, but it is the same as the G25 and I found the fact that the G55 wasn't shown in the diagrams a bit odd.

I don't have any Thermalite left to make up igniters with but I found that the Quickburst "Twiggys" do slide in easily so I'll probably use those. I may see if I can use a very small flexible brass bristle gun brush that I can run up inside the slot once or twice to be sure a layer of oxidation hasn't formed in the slot. I haven't had very good luck igniting the G55's in clusters. I found and posted an image below of a 2650 I launched here in the Bonne Carre Spillway back in 1995 and I only had two out of three G55's ignite. That time I used the pink (slow) Thermalite enclosed in teflon tubing. I think Performance Hobbies still sells it I just haven't used it in a while.

If you have another preferred ignition method for this type of cluster let me know.

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EMRR's Review: ARG T222-24 Trident (http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/kits/arg_trident_t222.html)

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