Rocket kits for sale.............

[rocketman]

Well, its time to thin the herd of kits I have
> collected over the
> years..and will never finish. Big ones, Collectible
> ones,
> etc.......None have been started and they are still
> in the original box
> or bag with a header.
> Im in the USA.
> Thanks
>
> ESTES HONEST JOHN #2166 $50
> ESTES V-2 #1952 $50
> ESTES SATURN V #2157 30TH ANNIVERSARY $80
> ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50
> ESTES TITAN II #1918 $45
> ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
> ESTES COMANCHE III #1382
> ESTES MERCURY REDSTONE #1241 K-41 $50
> ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
> ESTES TITAN 3 E #2019 $50
> ESTES BLUE BIRD ZERO #1335 $50
> ESTES JUPITER C #1976 $25
> ESTES MAGNUM # 2032 $20
> ESTES SDI SATELLITE #2003 $25
> ESTES SILVER COMET #2141 #25
> ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20
> ESTES PEGASUS #1376 #25
> ESTES CHEROKEE D #K-47 $40

[sandman]

So, how do we contact you?

I want the mercury Atlas! :D

[Arley Davis]

Put me down for the ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50 and the
ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20. That would be &70.00 plus shipping.

And as the Sandman said how to we contact you what is your email address. My email address is arleydavis@cox.net

[Ltvscout]

Before anyone goes sending money to this person, I want you all to take a look at this link first:

http://home.comcast.net/~mich24thms/Scam.html

I've just discovered that "rocketman" who posted this ad and the person in the above link are one in the same.

Caveat Emptor!

Of course if you have money to give away, just send the money to me. Whereas you'll here nothing after sending money to the person "selling" these kits, I'll at least gladly get back to you and tell you how I'm spending your hard earned money. ;)

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

Before anyone goes sending money to this person, I want you all to take a look at this link first:

http://home.comcast.net/~mich24thms/Scam.html

I've just discovered that "rocketman" who posted this ad and the person in the above link are one in the same.

Caveat Emptor!

Of course if you have money to give away, just send the money to me. Whereas you'll here nothing after sending money to the person "selling" these kits, I'll at least gladly get back to you and tell you how I'm spending your hard earned money. ;)

We need more careful screening. That's two douchebags this month. Next thing you know "HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED" will show up and turn this place into another little RMR.
Good catch, Scott. I was suspicious, but only because his message had so obviously been cut and pasted from another posting. I agree. We should "cavet his eruptor". (Brady Bunch reference, for all of you who might be interested. ;) :cool: :o )

[Ltvscout]

We need more careful screening. That's two douchebags this month. Next thing you know "HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED" will show up and turn this place into another little RMR.
Good catch, Scott. I was suspicious, but only because his message had so obviously been cut and pasted from another posting. I agree. We should "cavet his eruptor". (Brady Bunch reference, for all of you who might be interested. ;) :cool: :o )
I didn't think anything of it at first. I obviously JUMPED on the chance to own a K-29 1b for $90. ;) I emailed him through the forum shortly after he posted the ad last night. When I got his reply today I thought his email address looked familiar.

[Eagle3]

The nice thing about forums like this is that folks who become a problem (aka trolls) can be banned.

[sandman]

Well, rocketman, what do you have to say for yourself?

I seriously would expect an answer from you before you get any of my money.

Better yet, send me the item and I will honestly send you the cash.

BTW, thanks, guys.

Somehow I knew a Mercury Atlas for $50 was way too good to be true! :rolleyes:

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

The nice thing about forums like this is that folks who become a problem (aka trolls) can be banned.

Geez, I might not be the best looking guy in cyberspace, but calling me a troll is a little rough. :eek: ;) :D

[UMRS]

Rocketman AKA Jeff Jones, I have all his personal information on a web page that Scott listed. I created that web page after this piece of crap ripped off about a dozen people on ROL.

My page about the Scam Artist & Thief Jeff Jones (http://home.comcast.net/~mich24thms/Scam.html)

Jeff my man our paths will cross one day, you can bet on that.

[UMRS]

Well, its time to thin the herd of kits I have
> collected over the
> years..and will never finish. Big ones, Collectible
> ones,
> etc.......None have been started and they are still
> in the original box
> or bag with a header.
> Im in the USA.
> Thanks
>
> ESTES HONEST JOHN #2166 $50
> ESTES V-2 #1952 $50
> ESTES SATURN V #2157 30TH ANNIVERSARY $80
> ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50
> ESTES TITAN II #1918 $45
> ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
> ESTES COMANCHE III #1382
> ESTES MERCURY REDSTONE #1241 K-41 $50
> ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
> ESTES TITAN 3 E #2019 $50
> ESTES BLUE BIRD ZERO #1335 $50
> ESTES JUPITER C #1976 $25
> ESTES MAGNUM # 2032 $20
> ESTES SDI SATELLITE #2003 $25
> ESTES SILVER COMET #2141 #25
> ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20
> ESTES PEGASUS #1376 #25
> ESTES CHEROKEE D #K-47 $40

Your not in the USA youre up S### creek without a paddle

[Ltvscout]

One of the other "tricks" this seller used on ROL was selling the same item more than once. Here's proof of that trying to occur with his current ad. Myself and Kurt Schachner emailed the seller around the same time, interested in buying his K-29 1b for $90. (Who wouldn't want a K-29 for $90?!?) I'm attaching emails the seller sent to me and to Kurt. Hmmm, not sure how one sells the same item twice, unless he invented some type of cloning machine. ;)

Here is the message to me. Note he has an addition problem as well. heh

Hi Scott,
ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
Shipping $8
Total $89
My address is
Jeff Jones
1760 Sawyer Road
Traverse City, Mi 49684-9255


"J. Jones" <jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Thank you. Send me your address to mail it to.

>Scott
>
>
> >mailto:scott@rocketshoppe.com
> >
> >This is the message:
> >
> >Do you still have the 1b available? I'm interested in buying it.
> >
> >Scott
>
> Hi Scott,
> Yes....i can take a money order or a check.
> Let me know what you want to do.
> I will hold it for you.
> thanks
> JJ


Now here's the message thread from Kurt. Note the similarities?


Hi Kurt,
The total is
ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
>ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
shipping $10
Total $150
My address is
Jeff Jones
1760 Sawyer Road
Traverse City, Mi 49684-9255
Thanks and I am holding them
>
>Hello JJ,
>
>Thanks for your reply. I can send you a money order (or PayPal too), let
me know your address and I'll either send the money or let you know my
PayPal information.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Kurt
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Jones"
<jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com> To: <kurt_schachner@wooshrocketry.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:30 PM
>Subject: Reply to Kurt ....RE: Kits for Sale
>
>
>>
>>
>>>OR, by email:
>>>mailto:kurt_schachner@wooshrocketry.org
>>>
>>>This is the message:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Do you still have the Mercury Atlas and the Saturn 1B kit for sale? If
so, I am interested in them, please let me know.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Hi,
>>Yes...I can take a money order or a check
>>Let me know what you want to do
>>I will hold them for you.
>>Thanks,
>>JJ
--

So, he wants to sell the 1b to both of us it would appear.

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

One of the other "tricks" this seller used on ROL was selling the same item more than once. Here's proof of that trying to occur with his current ad. Myself and Kurt Schachner emailed the seller around the same time, interested in buying his K-29 1b for $90. (Who wouldn't want a K-29 for $90?!?) I'm attaching emails the seller sent to me and to Kurt. Hmmm, not sure how one sells the same item twice, unless he invented some type of cloning machine. ;)

Here is the message to me. Note he has an addition problem as well. heh

Hi Scott,
ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
Shipping $8
Total $89
My address is
Jeff Jones
1760 Sawyer Road
Traverse City, Mi 49684-9255


"J. Jones" <jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Thank you. Send me your address to mail it to.

>Scott
>
>
> >mailto:scott@rocketshoppe.com
> >
> >This is the message:
> >
> >Do you still have the 1b available? I'm interested in buying it.
> >
> >Scott
>
> Hi Scott,
> Yes....i can take a money order or a check.
> Let me know what you want to do.
> I will hold it for you.
> thanks
> JJ


Now here's the message thread from Kurt. Note the similarities?


Hi Kurt,
The total is
ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
>ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
shipping $10
Total $150
My address is
Jeff Jones
1760 Sawyer Road
Traverse City, Mi 49684-9255
Thanks and I am holding them
>
>Hello JJ,
>
>Thanks for your reply. I can send you a money order (or PayPal too), let
me know your address and I'll either send the money or let you know my
PayPal information.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Kurt
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Jones"
<jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com> To: <kurt_schachner@wooshrocketry.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:30 PM
>Subject: Reply to Kurt ....RE: Kits for Sale
>
>
>>
>>
>>>OR, by email:
>>>mailto:kurt_schachner@wooshrocketry.org
>>>
>>>This is the message:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Do you still have the Mercury Atlas and the Saturn 1B kit for sale? If
so, I am interested in them, please let me know.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Hi,
>>Yes...I can take a money order or a check
>>Let me know what you want to do
>>I will hold them for you.
>>Thanks,
>>JJ
--

So, he wants to sell the 1b to both of us it would appear.

Sure would be tragic if a bunch of "Bill Me Later" subscriptions were sent to this address. Or even requests for NAMBLA info. (Although they'd probably say "But we just sent you a packet last week!")

[sandman]

Yea, and here's mine!

From: "J. Jones" <jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: gagnello@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Mercury Atlas
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:34:08 -0400


Hi Gordon,
A money order or a check is ok....

Jeff


>From: Gordon Agnello <gagnello@yahoo.com>
>To: jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com
>Subject: Mercury Atlas
>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT)

I would be very interested in making a trip up there with some friends!

I especially want to introduce him to my friend Louie...as in Louisville Slugger! :mad:

[UMRS]

I think this should sum it up. :mad:

Note to Scott/Buzz if you think this is too much feel free to pull it, I think it displays our feelings in a nutshell.

[Tweener]

Hmm... You guys must all have it right. Almost two days now and no post on this thread in his own defense. ;) (And I notice on the members pages that he's visited today, too.)

[Arley Davis]

THANK YOU SCOTT! Or thank you, thank you, and thank you. I live on a fixed income; in fact I may loose my home if I do not get on disability soon. My Grandson Jacob just got approved for Social Security Disability for he is mentally handicapped and has trouble learning. For the abellical cord was wrapped around his neck and he had a loose of oxigin to his brain. Then when he was 6 months old his mother took of and lived with he boyfrind's family, Jacob’s father and while their he got lead poisoning, but he is still a very worm and loving Grandson, how loves rockets.

Anyway money is short put $50 for a Gemini Titan; I could not bass that up, I was thanking of trying to clone the Plastic parts and I have wanted the rocket for years. Here is the email he sent me.

Put me down for the ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50 and the
ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20. That would be &70.00 plus shipping.
My email address is arleydavis@cox.net

Hi Arley,
Yes i have them
$70 plus $8 shipping
My address is
Jeff Jones
1760 Sawyer Road
Traverse City,Mi 49684-9255
Thanks let me know when you send payment ..I am holding tt


I will see if he will do the tansaction COD.

[barone]

What's reallllllly bad (besides him being dishonest (apparently)), is that he's an elementary school teacher (yes I read the profile :rolleyes: ). What can we expect him to be teaching them?

Don
NAR 53455

[Tweener]

Nah, He's probably a used-car salesman, if he does anything else other than internet scams . The profile is probably a social engineering ploy to help beef up the appearance of integrity. (P.C. note: Sorry if I have offended any honest used-car salesmen among the forum members / visitors, 'twas not my intent. :D )

[Gus]

What's reallllllly bad (besides him being dishonest (apparently)), is that he's an elementary school teacher.
Don
NAR 53455
I checked the Traverse City Public Schools directory and there is no Jeff Jones in the directory.

[kurtschachner]

Nah, He's probably a used-car salesman, if he does anything else other than internet scams . The profile is probably a social engineering ploy to help beef up the appearance of integrity. (P.C. note: Sorry if I have offended any honest used-car salesmen among the forum members / visitors, 'twas not my intent. :D )

Heh, ask the owner of this board ;)

[Ltvscout]

Heh, ask the owner of this board ;)
Hey, I resemble that remark! (In a former life of course.)

[barone]

Hey...this guy is using a different handle in the rocket forum....

astronrocketguy

Got an e-mail from him advertising his kits for sell.....

Don
NAR 53455

[Ltvscout]

Hey...this guy is using a different handle in the rocket forum....

astronrocketguy

Got an e-mail from him advertising his kits for sell.....

Don
NAR 53455
There is no astronrocketguy handle here on YORF. Are you talking about The Rocketry Forum?

[barone]

Yes...that's the one....here's a copy of the e-mail he sent to me.....

This is a message from astronrocketguy at The Rocketry Forum (
http://www.rocketryforum.com/index.php ). The Rocketry Forum owners
cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

To email astronrocketguy, you can use this online form:
http://www.rocketryforum.com/member.php?action=mailform&userid=2262

OR, by email:
mailto:jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com

This is the message:

Hi,
Im selling out my unbuilt kits. I cant build anymore ..so here is the
list.
jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com
Thanks,
JJ

ESTES HONEST JOHN #2166 $50
> ESTES V-2 #1952 $50
> ESTES SATURN V #2157 30TH ANNIVERSARY $80
> ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50
> ESTES TITAN II #1918 $45
> ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
> ESTES COMANCHE III #1382
> ESTES MERCURY REDSTONE #1241 K-41 $50
> ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
> ESTES TITAN 3 E #2019 $50
> ESTES BLUE BIRD ZERO #1335 $50
> ESTES JUPITER C #1976 $25
> ESTES MAGNUM # 2032 $20
> ESTES SDI SATELLITE #2003 $25
> ESTES SILVER COMET #2141 #25
> ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20
> ESTES PEGASUS #1376 #25
> ESTES CHEROKEE D #K-47 $40

Sure looks like the same stuff......

Don
NAR 53455

[UMRS]

This guy is pure SCUM

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I just got this in my hotmail account:


From: WarbirdNorth


Selling kits I will never get to..All are complete, unbuilt and in their original packaging.
Contact me at jcjonesy195718@hotmail.com
I am in the USA.
Thanks,
JJ

ESTES HONEST JOHN #2166 $50
> ESTES V-2 #1952 $50
> ESTES SATURN V #2157 30TH ANNIVERSARY $80
> ESTES GEMINI TITAN #1978 $50
> ESTES TITAN II #1918 $45
> ESTES MERCURY ATLAS #2111 $50
> ESTES COMANCHE III #1382
> ESTES MERCURY REDSTONE #1241 K-41 $50
> ESTES SATURN 1-B #1229 $90
> ESTES TITAN 3 E #2019 $50
> ESTES BLUE BIRD ZERO #1335 $50
> ESTES JUPITER C #1976 $25
> ESTES MAGNUM # 2032 $20
> ESTES SDI SATELLITE #2003 $25
> ESTES SILVER COMET #2141 #25
> ESTES ORBITAL TRANSPORT #1259 $20
> ESTES PEGASUS #1376 #25
> ESTES CHEROKEE D #K-47 $40

So, WarbirdNorth is another name to watch for this turd under.

[Phred]

I received a very similar email.... but it looks like the word is out on him!!

(And the law too, if I read several posts correctly.)

And he WOULD have to pick a TRF handle similar to my Astronboy.... :(

[A Fish Named Wallyum]

I received a very similar email.... but it looks like the word is out on him!!

(And the law too, if I read several posts correctly.)

And he WOULD have to pick a TRF handle similar to my Astronboy.... :(

I wouldn't worry. No one is going to get the two of you mixed up.

[UMRS]

With the holiday season approaching again, I thought it was time to troll up this old thread.

Remember folks this guy is still out there selling stuff.

Jeff Jones Fraud (http://www.unclemikesrocketshack.com/Deadbeats/Jeff_Jones.html)

[Ltvscout]

With the holiday season approaching again, I thought it was time to troll up this old thread.

Remember folks this guy is still out there selling stuff.

Jeff Jones Fraud (http://www.unclemikesrocketshack.com/Deadbeats/Jeff_Jones.html)
Hey, today is Jonesy's 51st birthday everyone! ;)

[UMRS]

Hey, today is Jonesy's 51st birthday everyone! ;)


Since this is a PG rated board, all I can say is...........

Happy Birthday Jonesy I hope you choke on your cake and die like the thieving maggot you are :)

[ghrocketman]

Okay UMRS, tell us how you REALLY feel about this guy ! :D

[Rocket Doctor]

I sent him an email inquiring about kits, I'm curious what this low life has to say. Maybe I should have contacted the Sopranos to take out the trash............

[Johnnie]

Is "Snoopy50" the same guy? His birthday is very similar...

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/member.php?u=675

[Ltvscout]

Is "Snoopy50" the same guy? His birthday is very similar...

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/member.php?u=675
Heh, could be. That persons email address is jlejones@coslink.net. Hmmm, Jones, Hmmm.

[Gus]

Remember folks this guy is still out there selling stuff.
Mike,

Just a quick public Thank You to Mike for all he has done to warn folks about scammers.

Mike has taken some unbelievable heat over the years for being so vigorous about publicizing fraudulent vendors like Jonesy, but he has saved tons of folks from getting scammed.

Thanks Mike. :)

[UMRS]

Heh, could be. That persons email address is jlejones@coslink.net. Hmmm, Jones, Hmmm.

Jonesy collects Peanuts items, he also used to have an Ebay ID snoopy something. So it most likely is him.


Jonesy Fraud Information Page (http://www.unclemikesrocketshack.com/Deadbeats/Jeff_Jones.html)

[UMRS]

Mike,

Just a quick public Thank You to Mike for all he has done to warn folks about scammers.

Mike has taken some unbelievable heat over the years for being so vigorous about publicizing fraudulent vendors like Jonesy, but he has saved tons of folks from getting scammed.

Thanks Mike. :)


We have taken some hits over the years for exposing some rip off artists. Rebar/Jonesy etc.

Its nice to know there are a lot more decent people out there that support what we have done.

Thank you all

[Rocket Doctor]

Mike

Let's get the Red Baron after this creep............
Whatever he calls himself, he is shameless, it only take one jerk to spoil it for everyone else.
Thanks Mike.......Jones is rocket enemy #1
RD

[Breeze1913]

This has been quite the educational thread.
I wouldn't have thought twice about buying rockets online/eBay, but there's always a bad apple or two in the bushel.

[DaveR]

We have taken some hits over the years for exposing some rip off artists. Rebar/Jonesy etc.

Its nice to know there are a lot more decent people out there that support what we have done.

Thank you all

Are you refering to Rebar Rocketry (or rockets)? or someone's handle on ebay? Rebar Rocketry was supposedly in Meridian, MS.

[UMRS]

Are you refering to Rebar Rocketry (or rockets)? or someone's handle on ebay? Rebar Rocketry was supposedly in Meridian, MS.


Yes the infamous criminal and con artist himself Douglas Parks owner of one of the most criminal rocket sites in the western world Rebar Rocketry.

The guy had more excuses than Heydrich. Too numerous to list here but one of the most famous is probably the 200 mile inland flood ROFL.

[Gus]

Yes the infamous criminal and con artist himself Douglas Parks owner of one of the most criminal rocket sites in the western world Rebar Rocketry.

C'mon Mike, aren't you exagerating a bit?

No, wait, I forgot... you're right!

And don't forget Rebar part 2, with wife Suzy in the starring role. Doug was best supporting actor in that one, with Ebay and Paypal providing special effects.

Actually I shouldn't be making fun. Some of you participating here are probably among those who got ripped off, like me.

[UMRS]

C'mon Mike, aren't you exagerating a bit?

No, wait, I forgot... you're right!

And don't forget Rebar part 2, with wife Suzy in the starring role. Doug was best supporting actor in that one, with Ebay and Paypal providing special effects.

Actually I shouldn't be making fun. Some of you participating here are probably among those who got ripped off, like me.

Isnt that the old saying sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction :)

[DaveR]

Yes the infamous criminal and con artist himself Douglas Parks owner of one of the most criminal rocket sites in the western world Rebar Rocketry.

The guy had more excuses than Heydrich. Too numerous to list here but one of the most famous is probably the 200 mile inland flood ROFL.


Wow, that's interesting. Being that he was supposedly based in MS, I was actually entertaining the idea of ordering from ReBar right before Katrina. I remember visiting his website just after Katrina and thinking it was very odd his "store" flooded in Meridian. (Which is about 200 miles from he coast) Looks like the hurricane may have saved me some money. :rolleyes:

[UMRS]

Wow, that's interesting. Being that he was supposedly based in MS, I was actually entertaining the idea of ordering from ReBar right before Katrina. I remember visiting his website just after Katrina and thinking it was very odd his "store" flooded in Meridian. (Which is about 200 miles from he coast) Looks like the hurricane may have saved me some money. :rolleyes:


Dave

That would probably be one of the few good things that came out of Katrina, this thief was exposed for what he (and she as it turns out) truly are.