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Sather
03-01-2011, 04:14 PM
Greetings. We have heard a lot of good ideas for this year's Jarosch Cup contest, and thanks to all who contributed. The trend was to move away from potentially long recovery time commitments, and while there were many good events suggested, in the words of Connor MacLeod (Highlander), "There can be only one." Suggestions that weren't used this year may be used in subsequent years, at the discretion of the then-current Cup holder. My goals this year are to encourage MAXIMUM participation while keeping it fun. I know we all shared in a huge upwelling of pride for Joe when he won the "A" triathlon at the sod field last summer, a clean, solid victory over some of the finest rocketeers in WOOSH. I therefore tried to envision a contest that included the best features of all the suggestions, one that was fun, challenging yet not overly difficult, and one that leveled the playing field for all rocketeers, whatever their certification level might be. So, here it is...

General guidelines for Jarosch Cup events

1. The Jarosch Cup is a traveling trophy, in honor and remembrance of Fred Jarosch, beloved long-time WOOSH member and avid rocketeer.
2. A rocketry contest will be held annually at the WOOSH Eat Cheese or Fly launch in August, to determine who will hold the Jarosch Cup for the following year.
3. The holder of the Cup shall be responsible for planning and hosting the contest for the following year.

The ECOF 2011 Jarosch Cup - Edam spot duration

1. In keeping with the fine Wisconsin tradition, recently adopted by Space-X, the Jarosch Cup competition, as well as ECOF in general, will remain a cheese-centric event.
2. Motors used in the 2011 Edam spot duration are limited to a maximum of 24mm diameter.
(a) larger motor mounts may be adapted down use to 24mm diameter motors.
(b) 24mm motor mounts may be further adapted down to allow the use of 18mm, 13mm or Micro Maxx motors, at the option of the flyer.
3. Rockets entered in 2011 Edam spot duration will only be flown on currently certified motors, with a maximum installed impulse of "E" motor or equivalent. (40 N-s).
(a) Flyers utilizing reloadable 24mm motors must assemble their motor on site, in the presence of a neutral adult from opening the sealed reload container until the rocket has been presented to the RSO, and must bring reload kit documentation to the RSO, to verify use of "E" motor reload.
4. There can be one rocket entered per registered flyer, and one qualifying flight per rocket. The qualifying flight will be identified in advance of said flight.
(a) Since there are no launch fees for "E" motors and below, all flyers can register individually. Family members may each make an independent / individual entry.
5. Recovery of rockets will be by streamer. A flag will be placed in the soft grass near the runway, with a 50ft circle flagged out around it.. Scoring will be by timed duration, with a spot landing bonus as follows... Three rockets, landing closest to the flag and within the flagged circle will get a time bonus. Rockets outside of the circle will not qualify for the bonus. The time bonus will be equal to 30%, 20%, and 10% of their duration time, respectively. This will be of some help to a very accurate but short flight, and much more help to an accurate, longer flight. It is up to the flyer to determine how he (she) will prioritize accuracy vs time aloft. (Think of it like shuffleboard... a well-placed flight can be used strategically.) This also avoids the apples to oranges comparison of points from the use of different scales, i.e. feet (distance from spot) and seconds (time aloft), and avoids judging official(s) spending the entire weekend trudging through miles of field to pace off each and every wayward rocket.
6. Flyer will be given a small sample of Edam cheese to fly in or attached to his (her) rocket. NOTE - While Gouda was the obvious choice for "G" powered boosters, in 2011 we will be using "E" motors and Edam cheese. I will personally smuggle sufficient quantities of this product in from Holland.
7. Duration timing will be from initial vertical movement at launch until the FIRST portion of the rocket touches ground, tree, automobile, etc.
NOTE - this is a change from "G" gouda duration, where the Gouda capsule was the only section of the rocket that was timed. The Edam capsule is still allowed to separate from the main rocket, but the grounding of either section will stop the time.
The cheese section, for those rockets that separate (intentionally or otherwise), will be the section measured for spot accuracy, regardless of which section was used for duration timing. Linear measurement will be made from the portion of the appropriate (cheese) section (rocket or streamer) closest to the flag. The entire rocket and the cheeses must be recovered and presented for scoring to qualify.
8. CHAD or any other form of multiple staging is allowed, at the option of the flyer. Bear in mind that this may impose a limitation due to the separation timing penalty in rule 7.
9. NAR Safety Code will be followed at all times. Flyer must be certified to the level of motor flown.
NOTE - Given the possibility that Jeroen at CTI comes up with an E90-Vmax (and I wouldn't put it past him), that would technically be a high power motor under NFPA 1127 para 3.3.15.1 (average thrust in excess of 80N.)

In the fun column, I would like to add my thanks to Jeff Z. for developing the original "G" Gouda duration event, which we have used now for the last 3 ECOF's. This has been a great event at ECOF, open to all rocketeers and with simple rules to keep it fun. In the design of the trophy, he also had the foresight to allow for the event to change from year to year, as sometimes changing the novelty factor can renew interest. Next time you see Jeff (and we hope it is soon), give him a pat on the back and a heartfelt thanks for all of his ground work in this important and enduringly fun contest.

Cheers. Sather

Rex R
03-01-2011, 04:51 PM
what kind of mass would the edam enclousure need to envelope? I may have just the booster for this :).
rex

Sather
03-01-2011, 05:02 PM
what kind of mass would the edam enclousure need to envelope? I may have just the booster for this :).
rex

Small wheels of cheese. I believe they weigh in the neighborhood of an ounce. Shape is malleable... i.e. can be formed into shapes as needed.

Rex R
03-01-2011, 07:47 PM
in case anyone is curious, 1oz of cheese occupies approx 1.6 cubic inches of space :).
rex

chadrog
03-09-2011, 04:47 PM
Could I get a clear definition of "streamer"?

Sather
03-09-2011, 05:02 PM
here are a few...

http://www.apogeerockets.com/education/downloads/newsletter128.pdf

http://www.modelrocketinfo.com/model-rocket-streamer-recovery/

Sather
03-09-2011, 05:08 PM
here is another, from the NAR Pink Book...

http://www.nar.org/pinkbook/

31.2 Streamer Specifications
A streamer is defined for this event as a piece of cloth, plastic film, or paper, whose shape is approximately rectangular. The streamer must have a length- to-width ratio of five to one (5:1) or greater and have a minimum area of 100 square centimeters. The streamer and model must be connected by only a single line or cord, attached at the narrow end of the streamer. The cord may not be connected to either the streamer or the model at more than one point (e.g., no yokes are permitted). The streamer may not be cut, slit, or otherwise altered in such a manner as to affect its nature as a simple connected plane.

(I try to stay away from the Pink Book whenever possible.)

chadrog
03-09-2011, 05:24 PM
Fair 'nuff, thanks.

chadrog
04-29-2011, 08:53 AM
Can't wait! Mussssst-flyyyy-cheeeeeeeeeeeese

Sather
05-11-2011, 09:54 AM
Flyer must be certified to the level of motor flown.
NOTE - Given the possibility that Jeroen at CTI comes up with an E90-Vmax (and I wouldn't put it past him), that would technically be a high power motor under NFPA 1127 para 3.3.15.1 (average thrust in excess of 80N.)

Wow, I was half joking when I wrote that comment into the rules, but am now amazed after watching Mark H's flight at the sod field, using a newly-certified Cesaroni E75! Way to go, Jeroen!

chadrog
05-11-2011, 02:55 PM
Wow, I was half joking when I wrote that comment into the rules, but am now amazed after watching Mark H's flight at the sod field, using a newly-certified Cesaroni E75! Way to go, Jeroen!
Plant a seed, a vmax shall grow.

Sather
07-23-2011, 12:56 PM
Bump. ECOF @ T minus 35 days...

chadrog
07-24-2011, 12:33 PM
The cheeze is getting nervous...

jamjammer53150
07-25-2011, 10:46 AM
Do you get extra points for eating the cheese afterwords?

chadrog
07-25-2011, 11:58 AM
Do you get extra points for eating the cheese afterwords?
I do believe it's a requirement, so provisions should be made to protect it...

Sather
07-29-2011, 08:23 AM
I do believe it's a requirement, so provisions should be made to protect it...

We picked up the Edam today, so it will be nice and fresh a month from now... :chuckle:

jeff2space
08-24-2011, 08:56 AM
Looks like this will be my first rocket competition. Went out and bought a 19mm diameter Estes Viking rocket kit to use in the 2011 Jarosch Cup. I just didn't want to take the chance of swapping out the parachute on my current D,E rocket with a streamer. No guts no glory I guess. Haven't decided yet to go with a B or C engine (I would never see the rocket again if I modified it for an E). A bigger decision will be how and where to attach the Edam. That's going to have to be a flight day decision. Looking forward to a fun filled weekend of rocket flying!

chadrog
08-24-2011, 09:13 AM
Looks like this will be my first rocket competition. Went out and bought a 19mm diameter Estes Viking rocket kit to use in the 2011 Jarosch Cup. I just didn't want to take the chance of swapping out the parachute on my current D,E rocket with a streamer. No guts no glory I guess. Haven't decided yet to go with a B or C engine (I would never see the rocket again if I modified it for an E). A bigger decision will be how and where to attach the Edam. That's going to have to be a flight day decision. Looking forward to a fun filled weekend of rocket flying!
It was stated in an earlier post that the edam wheels are malleable, but I don't know it they're THAT malleable.

jeff2space
08-24-2011, 09:39 AM
It was stated in an earlier post that the edam wheels are malleable, but I don't know it they're THAT malleable.

Understand, I may have to attach it to the outside. I'll come up with something.

chadrog
08-24-2011, 09:42 AM
Understand, I may have to attach it to the outside. I'll come up with something.
That will surely make for an interesting flight!

LW Bercini
08-25-2011, 11:26 PM
Something for you to consider in the future...

When I was active in NIRA, we used to do silly contests at our club launches. One of the more interesting events was a variation of LeMans Start that we called LeMans "eat". It was basically the same rules as LeMans Start, except the model had to carry a standard-sized marshmallow. The contestant had to eat the marshmallow completely before the watch was stopped. This became quite difficult sometimes because the rest of the contestants would heckle and do everything possible to get him/her to laugh.

Now, just imagine a cheese-centric variation...

Lawrence "Mr Strato" Bercini

Sather
08-25-2011, 11:38 PM
The contestant had to eat the marshmallow completely before the watch was stopped. This became quite difficult sometimes because the rest of the contestants would heckle and do everything possible to get him/her to laugh.

Ooooh, I like that idea. Food for thought for next year's event host. You have to eat it in the presence of the gallery... no snacking way in the field.

LW Bercini
08-26-2011, 10:23 AM
There are other variations you could add to it to make it even more interesting...

1) Establish a target circle somewhere down range. Any model landing in the circle gets an automatic deduction from the clock. The idea is to make an incentive for people to make flights that travel away from the pad - no super-draggy-barely-off-the-pad kinds of flights. And making people run, means eating becomes more challenging.

2) Another idea is to do it as a relay race. Contestants are paired. The first flight is timed according to LeMans Start rules, the payload is recovered, transferred to the second model (in the gallery area) and then flown a second time. The second contestant eats the payload on return. Consider pairing the contestants randomly. We did a lot of this kind of "mix 'em up" stuff in the early days of MRFF, guaranteeing people getting to know new people.

Sather
08-29-2011, 11:30 PM
Results of the 2011 WOOSH ECOF Jarosch Cup - Edam Spot Duration with Streamer...

1st runnerup - Roy H. (Best duration time = 61.5 seconds)
Winner - John M. (Second best duration time = 56.0 seconds, plus best accuracy = 32 feet. This gives 30% bonus (16.8 seconds) for total score of 72.8 seconds.

Congratulations, John.

to be updated / expanded following return from LDRS...

Rex R
08-30-2011, 03:18 AM
congrats john.
rex

jamjammer53150
09-01-2011, 07:34 AM
I knew about where my time would be , but I did get lucky on the landing . FYI the winning rocket was an estes Patriot punched out to 24mm , with CCExpress booster fins .

I actually used this airframe extensivley for a camera platform , so just swat the camera for cheese