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Old 11-16-2020, 11:25 PM
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Default ESA's Vega failed...again (link)

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Shades of the LTV Scout's early days...tonight ESA's all-solid propellant (except for a small, restartable hypergolic propellant fourth stage/orbit "trim" stage, called AVUM) Vega launch vehicle failed again (see: https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/11/...-status-center/ [videos are also here]). Spain’s SEOSAT-Ingenio Earth observation satellite and France’s Taranis scientific research satellite were lost on tonight’s Vega launch failure.
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:19 AM
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Lol. Not surprised.
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Old 11-17-2020, 07:22 PM
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I find it VERY surprising. After all, Vega flew 14 times without a hitch before they suffered a structural failure on flight 15. ESA is already reporting this failure (admittedly, now 2 of the last 3 launches, 2 of 17 overall, for an 88% success record/12% fail rate) was due to human error - something in the fourth stage was mis-wired.

ESA will get their act together. Ariane was a bit of a mess early on, and is now highly reliable. And, given their "built-in" customer base of, well, ALL of Europe, they'll still have missions to fly!
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Old 11-17-2020, 07:58 PM
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The story on spaceflightnow.com talks about swapped cables in the engine control system and that it was human error, not a design error.

If it CAN be hooked up incorrectly leading to reversed controls like this, it IS a design error, or at least we would see it that way in the aircraft industry.....

That said, I hope they get it sorted out. I don't like to see any of these launchers fail.
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That said, I hope they get it sorted out. I don't like to see any of these launchers fail.
Agree.
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Old 11-18-2020, 12:14 AM
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The story on spaceflightnow.com talks about swapped cables in the engine control system and that it was human error, not a design error.

If it CAN be hooked up incorrectly leading to reversed controls like this, it IS a design error, or at least we would see it that way in the aircraft industry.....

That said, I hope they get it sorted out. I don't like to see any of these launchers fail.
From the description in the SpaceFlightNow article (see: https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/11/...to-human-error/ ), it sounds like the same type of cabling connection error (in the AVUM--Attitude and Vernier Upper Module--fourth stage of the Vega launch vehicle) that caused the Mercury-Scout 1 launch failure. (Surely by now, decades of experience should have resulted in clearly-marked--and perhaps color-coded [say, red for roll, blue for pitch, yellow for yaw, as well as those axes' names], or even differently shaped or sized--actuator signal cables and connectors, to prevent such maddeningly easy-to-avoid launch failures?) Also:

Had the Vega's ^first^ stage TVC (Thrust Vector Control) cabling been mis-connected, it would have been as exciting a launch as Mercury-Scout 1's (I don't like launch failures, but if a given one is doomed to happen, I'd rather--*unless* a crew is involved, of course--at least get a spectacular fireworks display out of it). On November 1, 1961, a Blue Scout II (round D-8) lifted off from Pad 18B at Cape Canaveral, carrying the Mercury-Scout 1 satellite, which was to remain attached to the Altair fourth stage in orbit (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-Scout_1 ) . The battery-powered spacecraft's purpose was--like that of the later TETR Apollo tracking network training satellites--to give the worldwide Mercury network of tracking stations experience with tracking, receiving, transmitting to, and "handing off" an "electronic Mercury spacecraft simulator." But because a technician had installed the Blue Scout II's guidance system wiring backwards--transposing the pitch and roll actuators' signal cables--the vehicle began to go wild only a few seconds after liftoff, and it began to break up at T+28 seconds; the Range Safely Officer transmitted the destruct command at T-43 seconds.
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