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Old 12-26-2016, 01:12 PM
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Originally I thought Aerotech acquiring brand Q was going to be good, as Aerotech if anything brings engines to market sometimes too quickly, instead of ever announcing 'vaporware'.
Now I'm not so sure as it seems brand Q has all but disappeared.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:02 PM
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In the NARCON video of the manufacturer's forum Gary stated directly with price increases coming from China it is likely the BP motors next ordered will be the last and the Q2G2 igniters can only be ordered at the same time as motors. So hoard Q2G2 when the next batch arrives.
Does this mean that AeroTech will no longer sell black powder motors (from any source) with/for Quest kits, or will they go back to using German-made black powder motors? (The German Klima 18 mm paper-cased composite motors would also be an intriguing possibility--re-issued Quest kits such as the Falcon [also sold under the name of Eagle], the Nike-K, and the Super Eagle could use the Klima motors to great advantage.) Also:

I see that the rocket kit listings on the Quest website list not only the recommended Quest motors, but also the Estes motors that can be substituted for the Quest motors (here is the Quick Q rocket kit listing on the Quest website, which lists both the Quest and Estes motors that this rocket can use: http://www.questaerospace.com/Quick...5_16428946.aspx ). This *might* mean that AeroTech is planning to stop offering black powder motors for/with the Quest kits (after their latest batch of Chinese-made motors is all sold to vendors and to individual online customers), or it might be just a precaution, in case they *are* planning to get black powder motors from another source, but might go through a period when they have no motors in stock before their new source starts delivering them. But even if they do plan to stop offering black powder motors, this need not harm Quest at all, because many model rocket companies (Semroc, Aerospace Speciality Products, etc.) have never made their own motors or sold other companies' motors for use with their rocket kits. Also, AeroTech's 18 mm composite "D" motors work well in the larger Quest rockets.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:07 PM
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I for one would like Quest/Aerotech to source their motors to Klima (Germany) once again.
They had higher thrust and were more consistent when I used them.
The chinese produced motors do nothing for me.
What I would REALLY like to see is someone taking the lead and offering BP single use motors that Estes REFUSES to produce with nothing but EXCUSES why they cannot fulfill motors requested by customers.
We need and want PORT/CORE-burning SU BP 18mm (B8/B14/C5/C19), 24mm D/E, 29mm E/F motors and there IS a market for them.
I have NO doubt Carl would have fulfilled this need once he got the motor making going at Semroc, but we all know that has almost no chance of happening now.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:25 PM
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I for one would like Quest/Aerotech to source their motors to Klima (Germany) once again.
They had higher thrust and were more consistent when I used them.
The chinese produced motors do nothing for me.
What I would REALLY like to see is someone taking the lead and offering BP single use motors that Estes REFUSES to produce with nothing but EXCUSES why they cannot fulfill motors requested by customers.
We need and want PORT/CORE-burning SU BP 18mm (B8/B14/C5/C19), 24mm D/E, 29mm E/F motors and there IS a market for them.
I have NO doubt Carl would have fulfilled this need once he got the motor making going at Semroc, but we all know that has almost no chance of happening now.
So Klima made the black powder motors that Quest once offered? The German motors were definitely superior to the Chinese ones. (Today I read two EMRR reviews of the Quest Super Eagle [see: http://archive.rocketreviews.com/re...per_eagle.shtml ], which suffered wobbly or gravity turn near-crash flights on Quest C6-3s, but boosted just fine on an Estes C6-3.) Maybe Klima could be persuaded--if folks like us contacted them--to produce your (and many people's) "dream motors" in your list, along with the 'standard fare' black powder motors.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:32 PM
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or it might be just a precaution, in case they *are* planning to get black powder motors from another source, but might go through a period when they have no motors in stock before their new source starts delivering them.


I think that risk has already been realized. The stock of Quest motors at any vendor has been pretty pitiful the past couple years. Most places are completely out of them now. The Q2G2 igniters are even worse. They're like unicorns.
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I think that risk has already been realized. The stock of Quest motors at any vendor has been pretty pitiful the past couple years. Most places are completely out of them now. The Q2G2 igniters are even worse. They're like unicorns.
That should change soon, with AeroTech's latest batch purchase of the Chinese-made motors, although their C6 motors have an average thrust more like that of a C4 motor, which makes for squirrely flights in larger models (although they might actually be better than the German-made [or even Estes'] C6 motors for use in smaller rockets--they might provide a longer burn along with the lower thrust, which would cut down on drag during powered flight due to the lower acceleration).
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the german-made motors that Quest offered earlier were made by Waco not affiliated with Klima. The Chinese Motors are made by a manufacturer in China. Whose Name Escapes me right now but you could find them on the Internet. apogee Imports thier kits. Klima is a separate manufacturer. perhaps Aerotek is looking to produce the same Motors under license
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:44 PM
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Klima is a separate manufacturer. perhaps Aerotek is looking to produce the same Motors under license


That is the only way I can see that they could produce quantity at the lower price that would be required.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:59 PM
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the german-made motors that Quest offered earlier were made by Waco not affiliated with Klima. The Chinese Motors are made by a manufacturer in China. Whose Name Escapes me right now but you could find them on the Internet. apogee Imports thier kits. Klima is a separate manufacturer. perhaps Aerotek is looking to produce the same Motors under license
Thank you for clarifying which German firm (was it spelled "Weco" instead of "Waco?"--the former was mentioned earlier in this thread) made Quest's motors. My memory is hazy, too, but I think (which may be wrong) that the Chinese-made Quest motors came from the Chinese model rocket company that is known as "Sky" in this country (the firm whose kits, launch pads, and launch controllers are carried by Apogee Rockets [Sky's motor selection also includes 13 mm mini motors of various lengths; they'd be intriguing imports...]).
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Thank you for clarifying which German firm (was it spelled "Weco" instead of "Waco?"--the former was mentioned earlier in this thread) made Quest's motors. My memory is hazy, too, but I think (which may be wrong) that the Chinese-made Quest motors came from the Chinese model rocket company that is known as "Sky" in this country (the firm whose kits, launch pads, and launch controllers are carried by Apogee Rockets [Sky's motor selection also includes 13 mm mini motors of various lengths; they'd be intriguing imports...]).


It is 'WECO'. 'Sky' as I understand is a marketing name for kits and motors, and the motors are made by another entity which has a long, multi word name.
[edit] here it is: http://www.wcu100.com/model/English.htm

Motors at bottom of this page http://www.wcu100.com/model/product.htm

Though from what I understand, the big Quest motors of 2008 were made by a military organization, different from these motors.
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