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Old 07-03-2022, 06:55 PM
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Default I Was Sent Some VERY UNUSUAL "Aerobee" Data . . .

A friend of mine in Germany sent me some very unusual "Aerobee" drawings. He did not have any information about them, but passed them on to me.

So, here they are . . . I know nothing else about them.

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Old 07-03-2022, 10:18 PM
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Old 07-03-2022, 11:15 PM
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Concepts only? It would seem so...


That's what I am thinking, too, unless more data is available.

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Old 07-04-2022, 01:26 PM
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Concepts only? It would seem so...


Closer to fanboy/science fiction short story thing.

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.co...-clearest-view/

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Old 07-04-2022, 01:38 PM
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Hi, Chris !

The drawings appear to be from the early 1950's.

Given the resources and technology back then, do you think it is possible that the level of information available to the general public, at that time, would have allowed the average person to make those drawings, especially at that level of detail ?

For example, the V-2 information was probably still classified, at that time ( Korean War era ).

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Old 07-04-2022, 07:07 PM
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Closer to fanboy/science fiction short story thing.

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.co...-clearest-view/


Chris,

I didn't see the link you posted, before.

I never look at any of the Kerbal stuff and the drawings appeared to be "vintage".

It's a real shame they aren't authentic . . . It would have been "interesting" !

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Even though they're "Kerbalic," at least one such real design--which could have been built & flown, had things gone differently--and which was similar in style, was actually proposed...by Aerojet. It was a "drawing of what we *could* do using existing hardware, if given a directive to do so," and was as follows:

The drawing of the Aerojet "Vanguard TV and SLV competitor," in Arthur C. Clarke's 1957/58 non-fiction book "The Making of a Moon: The Story of the Earth Satellite Program," was very similar in style to those Kerbal ones (and yet also resembled Martin's Vanguard design). Their design utilized a hypergolic liquid propellant Bomarc-A first stage (without the missile's wings or tail surfaces; it had four fixed, rear-mounted delta fins instead), an Aerobee second stage, and a solid propellant third stage quite similar to the Grand Central Rocket Company and Allegheny Ballistics Laboratory Vanguard third stage motors, but--I think--made by Aerojet's solid rocket "division."
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Even though they're "Kerbalic," at least one such real design--which could have been built & flown, had things gone differently--and which was similar in style, was actually proposed...by Aerojet. It was a "drawing of what we *could* do using existing hardware, if given a directive to do so," and was as follows:

The drawing of the Aerojet "Vanguard TV and SLV competitor," in Arthur C. Clarke's 1957/58 non-fiction book "The Making of a Moon: The Story of the Earth Satellite Program," was very similar in style to those Kerbal ones (and yet also resembled Martin's Vanguard design). Their design utilized a hypergolic liquid propellant Bomarc-A first stage (without the missile's wings or tail surfaces; it had four fixed, rear-mounted delta fins instead), an Aerobee second stage, and a solid propellant third stage quite similar to the Grand Central Rocket Company and Allegheny Ballistics Laboratory Vanguard third stage motors, but--I think--made by Aerojet's solid rocket "division."


Is this it ? ( image below )

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*Tosses head and neck in assent* Yep, that's the one! If any Bomarc B missiles are left (except for a few saved for museums, the Bomarc A--and at least some Bomarc B missiles--were expended as targets for guided missiles), they might be usable for a smallsat launch vehicle; the U.S. Navy's rocket and missile test facility at Point Mugu, California, flew many Bomarcs as targets. The Bomarc A vehicles, which they used first, had the internal hypergolic liquid propellant launch rocket system, while the Bomarc B used a solid propellant internal launch booster. (The Royal Canadian Air Force [RCAF] was also supplied with Bomarc Bs [they owned the missiles, while the U.S. owned their nuclear warheads, and could quickly "give the RCAF their keys" in the event of a Soviet attack, so that Canada could deny being a nuclear power].)
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*Tosses head and neck in assent* Yep, that's the one! If any Bomarc B missiles are left (except for a few saved for museums, the Bomarc A--and at least some Bomarc B missiles--were expended as targets for guided missiles), they might be usable for a smallsat launch vehicle; the U.S. Navy's rocket and missile test facility at Point Mugu, California, flew many Bomarcs as targets. The Bomarc A vehicles, which they used first, had the internal hypergolic liquid propellant launch rocket system, while the Bomarc B used a solid propellant internal launch booster. (The Royal Canadian Air Force [RCAF] was also supplied with Bomarc Bs [they owned the missiles, while the U.S. owned their nuclear warheads, and could quickly "give the RCAF their keys" in the event of a Soviet attack, so that Canada could deny being a nuclear power].)


Was a "name" ever given to that configuration ?

Was anything else ever done, beyond that drawing ? Wind tunnel testing, perhaps ?

I doubt it ever progressed to "flight testing", but one can hope !

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