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STOLEN Intellectual Property
I *didn't* authorize this. I'm in touch with eBay. The guy's at the opposite end of the state.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-ENLAR...ac#ht_25wt_1287
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Jay Goemmer "Centuri Guy"/"Tau Zero" YORF Member 28 Semroc SAM #0029 NAR 86131 "I think about organizing things all the time. Never seems to happen. I find something that piques my interest and I'm off on a quest. Or a Centuri. " --Bill Eichelberger, 02/22/2022 “Centuri fret buzz in an updated form.” Bill “Wallyum” Eichelberger re: Estes Flutter-By 03 Sept 2014 |
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You want I should whack dis guy, Boss?
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Bill Eichelberger NAR 79563 http://wallyum.blogspot.com/ I miss being SAM 0058 Build floor: Estes - Low Boom SST Semroc - Marauder, Shrike, SST Shuttle In paint: Canaroc - Starfighter Scorpion Centuri - Mini Dactyl Estes - F-22 Air Superiority Fighter, Multi-Roc, Solar Sailer II, Xarconian Cruiser Semroc - Cyber III Ready to fly: Estes - Solar Sailer II Semroc - Earmark |
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If the original kit hasn't been offered in the past three years or the Trade Mark kept in use there is nothing you can do about it. At least that is what I've been told and why rocket companies are allowed to recreate older Centuri and Estes kits and sale them.
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Up until Semroc's unfortunate closing it was for sale there so well within the 3 years
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Trying to understand
Hi Jay,
Not trying to start trouble, but trying to understand...what exactly is the beef with this sale? Is the expectation that if it is your design, you get royalties for every "Tau Zero" unit sold, whether 1:1, upscale or downscale? Would you have been fine if they simply asked permission to build an upscale of the design? Again, not trying to poke a sore wound, but am curious what your expectation is? I don't know squat about the seller, but if I had to guess, I'd guess that the seller liked your design (a good thing IMO) , asked Semroc or equivalent if they could upscale it for them , and did so. If the seller's "build pile" is as large as mine is, maybe they're deciding to pass it on to another rocketeer that also enjoys an upscale of your design (another good thing IMO). I could be wrong, but I'm thinking the seller is looking to sell a "one off", not reproduce this kit exponentially, in which case I'd certainly expect them to contact you first. I have a design or two that were produced by a now OOP kit manufacturer. I'd be moderately flattered if someone decided to clone it, up or downscale it. Most certainly, I wouldn't expect individuals to contact me if they decided to reproduce it in any scale. Upscales are done to many, many designs in rocketry. I'm fairly certain that the designers are not contacted every time a design is used...not saying it is right or wrong, just saying. Honestly just curious if your expectations are consistent with (rocket) industry expectations. -Eric- |
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My Estes clone kit sales are glacially slow, but I always give credit to the original company and encourage buyers to also buy the original when/as available. Also I do not include decals so do not run up against copyright issues.
I think the upscale and regular scale markets are essentially mutually exclusive. I for one would love to see Estes make an upscale BT-70 Goblin and Patriot to accept the new 29mm motors and convert to 24mm as well. There is some possibility of the industry agreeing on a "best practices" plan including royalties for off-scale uses of some company's designs. Sort of like FRAND licensing in patents. Jerry Last edited by Jerry Irvine : 03-14-2014 at 11:06 AM. |
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Jay,
There was a post on YORF or TRF warning about a vendor (it could have been this guy) doing upscales. I can't find the original post. This "vendor" would post face cards but no pictures of the finished models. The picture of parts show a black and white copy of the Semroc instructions. I'm sorry to see this. Some people have no respect for the original designer or idea. I have nothing against somebody doing a single upscale or downscale. If they go into production and make money off your work it's another story. In entertainment, I've been ripped off many times over the years. These are the same people who say: "You didn't come up with that. There's nothing new under the sun!" They are always so surprised when I show them the Copyright forms. Years ago I took some comedy workshop classes in L.A. Our instructor talked about ownership of original material, He said: "It takes talent to create, it just takes nerve to steal." If somebody were to copy my Odd'l Rockets instructions like this . . . I've got too many hours of time and money invested just to give it away.
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Just because something is "legal" does not make it moral or ethical. Somebody should stick an umbrella up this clown's fecal orifice and open it!
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Same guy. Quote:
This is it in a nutshell.
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Bill Eichelberger NAR 79563 http://wallyum.blogspot.com/ I miss being SAM 0058 Build floor: Estes - Low Boom SST Semroc - Marauder, Shrike, SST Shuttle In paint: Canaroc - Starfighter Scorpion Centuri - Mini Dactyl Estes - F-22 Air Superiority Fighter, Multi-Roc, Solar Sailer II, Xarconian Cruiser Semroc - Cyber III Ready to fly: Estes - Solar Sailer II Semroc - Earmark |
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I was the warn-er. http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showthread.php?t=13446 Let's see if I can trace some of his Ebay handles: iambernielomax 2014_snark 2014ussnark (where his -1 rating is) bomaus_ancrbvkns (this is his latest handle) I thought there might be 1 or 2 other names, but I can't find them at the moment. He even changes his location a little (Hayden or Post Falls), though he still states Idaho as his location state. What a S**t Head! Allen |
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