Ye Olde Rocket Forum

Go Back   Ye Olde Rocket Forum > Work Bench > Vendors
User Name
Password
Auctions Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts Search Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #101  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Shreadvector's Avatar
Shreadvector Shreadvector is offline
Launching since 1970.
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 2,188
Default

__________________
-Fred Shecter NAR 20117 (L2)
Southern California Rocket Association, NAR Section 430

Last edited by Shreadvector : 02-05-2010 at 08:03 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:46 PM
Initiator001 Initiator001 is offline
Too Many Initiators is Never Enough
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,404
Default

Yes!

D8-0 boosters, too!

I am sure it was quite an ordeal for Bill/Quest to get all the issues with getting these motors imported and approved but I am glad Quest hung in there and saw it through.

Thanks, Bill.

Bob
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:49 PM
stefanj stefanj is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hillsboro, OR
Posts: 2,853
Default

Based on the average thrust and total impulse, the D5 (why didn't they call it a D4?) should have a really long burn . . . about 4.5 seconds. Like the old FSI D4, but a REAL D as opposed to a fat C.

I'm going to start building my FSI clones with appropriately recessed engine blocks.

The D5 would also make a nice upper stage motor, although it would be be better if the delay were a touch longer.

Hmmm, a 24mm "upscale" Stargazer clone with a D8-0 and a D5-6 would really zoom.
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 02-04-2010, 11:44 PM
BEC's Avatar
BEC BEC is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Auburn, Washington
Posts: 3,655
Default

Is that info on the D5s correct in the TRF post - 20mm diameter rather than 24 like the D8s?? I guess that means making 20 to 24mm adapters. Anyone have centering rings for that (20mm tubing into BT-50) I wonder?
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 02-05-2010, 12:12 AM
Initiator001 Initiator001 is offline
Too Many Initiators is Never Enough
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,404
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BEC
Is that info on the D5s correct in the TRF post - 20mm diameter rather than 24 like the D8s?? I guess that means making 20 to 24mm adapters. Anyone have centering rings for that (20mm tubing into BT-50) I wonder?


Yes, the D5 motors have a 20mm diameter.

Quest has been selling the D5-0(P) motor for awhile which works well in gliders.

I'm looking forward to flying D5 & D8 motors.

Bob
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 02-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Royatl's Avatar
Royatl Royatl is offline
SPEV/Orion wrangler
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,645
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanj
Based on the average thrust and total impulse, the D5 (why didn't they call it a D4?) should have a really long burn . . . about 4.5 seconds. Like the old FSI D4, but a REAL D as opposed to a fat C.



It does indeed have about a 4-5 second burn. Gives an Applewhite UFO a strange flight! Kinda vibratory in tone. I'd love to try a D5-0/d5-0 in a modified FlisKits Frick'n'Frack, on a dead calm day, just to see if it would hold up!
__________________
Roy
nar12605
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 02-05-2010, 01:54 AM
Mark II's Avatar
Mark II Mark II is offline
Forest Sprite
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Back Up in the Woods
Posts: 3,657
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BEC
Is that info on the D5s correct in the TRF post - 20mm diameter rather than 24 like the D8s?? I guess that means making 20 to 24mm adapters. Anyone have centering rings for that (20mm tubing into BT-50) I wonder?
I figured out awhile back that one could use Semroc Series 085 tubing (LT-085) for motor tubes for these 20mm motors. The motors will need perhaps 4-5 wraps of masking tape to fit, which is similar to how FSI motors were fitted into their motor tubes. Alternatively, you can also take a length of Semroc BT-40 and slit it down the side, spread it open a bit and then glue it inside the LT-085 tube. There will be a small slot remaining along the new inner wall of the tube, but you can block that easily with another rectangle of tubing or some durable putty such as JB Stick or Bondo. You only need to block a small section of it at the aft end to create a gas seal for the ejection gas.

A 20mm diameter motor will fit into the resulting tube with 0.009" of clearance all around it. This should be tight enough, but if the motor is still a bit loose the fit can be enhanced with a wrap of masking tape.

Your new motor mount or motor adapter will have an outside diameter of 0.945" and therefore it will fit snugly inside a standard 24mm motor mount.

MarkII
__________________
Mark S. Kulka NAR #86134 L1,_ASTRE #471_Adirondack Mountains, NY
Opinions Unfettered by Logic • Advice Unsullied by Erudition • Rocketry Without Pity
+09281962-TAK-08272007+
SAM # 0011
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 02-05-2010, 02:06 AM
Mark II's Avatar
Mark II Mark II is offline
Forest Sprite
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Back Up in the Woods
Posts: 3,657
Default

Without having actually seen any of them (yet), I can guess that these new Quest 20mm diameter motors will appear to be only slightly larger than standard 18mm motors, and their profile will be noticeably smaller in diameter (thinner) than 24mm motors. 20mm is equivalent to about 0.787", so the motors will be just slightly too large to fit into a tube such as BT-40 (0.765" ID). Gluing a slit BT-40 inside a length of LT-085 would be the best available option for constructing either a stand-alone motor tube or a 24-20 motor mount adapter for them. Quest sells T20, or 20mm diameter body tubes, but 20mm is the outside diameter of those tubes.

MarkII
__________________
Mark S. Kulka NAR #86134 L1,_ASTRE #471_Adirondack Mountains, NY
Opinions Unfettered by Logic • Advice Unsullied by Erudition • Rocketry Without Pity
+09281962-TAK-08272007+
SAM # 0011
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 02-05-2010, 11:37 AM
BEC's Avatar
BEC BEC is offline
Master Modeler
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Auburn, Washington
Posts: 3,655
Default

Of course now that I'm more awake I see that the 20mm OD D5s wouldn't fit in T20 tubing

All sorts of provisions to invent, I guess, especially if one didn't want a rocket that could only be flown on the Quest D5. The D8s will be easier to use in an existing fleet built for Aunt Esther Ds (or Es)....

Lots of ideas popping this morning but I need to look at part specs before I say any more. One would hope that Quest would at least have 20mm ID tubing, motor blocks and maybe even motor hooks for these after they become available. Centering rings into T25, T30 and larger would be nice, too....but one step at a time. Right now I'm not sure where/when I could fly something that has 4.5 seconds of boost time, but it sure would be cool.
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 02-05-2010, 04:48 PM
nvrocketeer nvrocketeer is offline
Intermediate Rocketeer
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: See current profile "BobP_in_Nevada"
Posts: 95
Default

What's the ID of an Estes 24mm motor? Is there any hope there of using it as an adapter or mining one for centering rings to suit the Quest 20mm case?
__________________
_____________________________________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:09 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ye Olde Rocket Shoppe © 1998-2024