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Old 08-07-2020, 08:15 AM
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Old 08-07-2020, 08:53 AM
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I think this whole USSF deal is sombody's pet project to look useful and serves no valid purpose.
Splitting this off from the USAF is just plain DUMB.
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I think this whole USSF deal is sombody's pet project to look useful and serves no valid purpose.
Splitting this off from the USAF is just plain DUMB.

That's what everybody said when they split the USAF from the US Army.
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That's what everybody said when they split the USAF from the US Army.


This is away of giving NASA a clean stale, as NASA will no longer be associated with the
Christians In Action and their Black Projects. Now NASA can become the Civilian space agency that it was intended to be. Do you understand ? OK
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:49 AM
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The only thing this is going to accomplish is further weakening the USAF UNderfunding.
We need to get AWAY from this "do more with less" garbage crapola "lean" philosophy.
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This is away of giving NASA a clean stale, as NASA will no longer be associated with the
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WTF, Neal? I was messing with GH, not asking to be talked down to. Do you understand? OK.
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Old 08-07-2020, 08:25 PM
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WTF, Neal? I was messing with GH, not asking to be talked down to. Do you understand? OK.

TBzep, no talking down intended. the Do you understand was meant as sarcasm. In fact I really don't know the reasoning behind the space corps. sounds like a feel good idea to me.
Sometimes I grow so tired.
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Splitting this off from the USAF is just plain DUMB.
The story of the U.S. Space Force goes back to the very dawn of the Space Age. President Eisenhower considered creating it--and it was called just that, the U.S. Space Force--in 1958 (to end the significantly duplicative--and rivalrous--Army, Navy, and Air Force space efforts), but he decided to create a civilian space agency (NASA, created out of the NACA, and using the NACA field centers) instead. Also:

Willy Ley gave excellent historical and political context to why the formation of a U.S. Space Force was considered—and ultimately rejected—in early 1958. This is in Chapter 13 (“Man in Space,” on page 438) of the final—of several—revised editions of Willy Ley’s now-classic book, “Rockets,” which was first published in May of 1944. In a subsequent reprinting in September of that year (when the V-2s began falling on London), he added “notes” in the appendix to cover the new development, which—though tragic—proved beyond doubt that interplanetary space travel by rocket was possible (the skeptics who said that “a rocket only moves because it pushes on the air” were decisively proved wrong). In 1947 it was rewritten, with the expanded title “Rockets and Space Travel.” Then:

During the next three years wartime rocketry secrets—American and German—became known, and Willy Ley found it necessary to rewrite the book again, this time with the title (the one the book is best known by) of “Rockets, Missiles, and Space Travel.” Then, as he wrote in the Foreword of the final edition of the book, published in 1969, the Space Age dawned, and he rewrote it again, with the title “Rockets, Missiles, And Men In Space” (see: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Se...+In+Space&isbn= ); this final edition was published in June of 1969 (Ley died on June 24, just weeks before the Apollo 11 Moon landing mission that he so anticipated watching unfold; he also missed the Mariner 6 and 7 Mars flybys, which occurred just a few days—on July 31 and August 5—after Apollo 11’s splashdown on July 24). As well as covering the early consideration of a U.S. Space Force, the book is also an encyclopedic reference on many U.S., Soviet, and other nations’ sounding rocket, missile, and space projects. As well:

The U.S. Space Force (USSF: https://www.spaceforce.mil/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force ), as it has now been constituted, already has, and will have as it grows, multiple responsibilities, including ones that were not envisioned in 1958. The Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS) will become the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station (CCSFS, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_...r_Force_Station ), and Patrick Air Force Base--formerly the Banana River Naval Air Station, until 1948--will become Patrick Space Force Base (see: https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...ast/2906937001/ ); the official re-naming ceremonies have been postponed by the Corona virus outbreak. But already, the U.S. Space Force is now in charge of operating the Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg Air Force Base space launch complexes (SLCs) and other ground facilities, and:

The first U.S. Space Force-managed launch, of the AEHF 6 communications satellite (see: https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/03/...d-for-thursday/ and https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/03/...ations-network/ ), was entirely successful—an excellent start! The first NASA-managed launch, of the (formerly USAF/ARPA) Pioneer 1 lunar probe—an intended lunar satellite—on October 11, 1958 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_1 ), was not so successful, as it rose only 70,717 miles, falling well short of the Moon (it is sometimes called Pioneer 1B, as some listings number the first, totally unsuccessful August 17, 1958 launch attempt as Pioneer 1, while others list it as Pioneer 0). Plus:

I know a retired USAF Colonel who is now part of the USSF (he is serving as, among other things, one of their historians), and I had a copy of Willy Ley's “Rockets, Missiles, And Men In Space” (see: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Se...+In+Space&isbn= ), which discussed the 1958 U.S. Space Force proposal in Chapter 13, sent to him. The USSF, in addition to its current responsibilities (launching military spacecraft, operating and maintaining their launch complexes, operating the satellites to provide communication, navigation, and spacecraft sensors' acquired data for all of the U.S. armed services), will, over time, take on other responsibilities (by itself, and/or in liaison with other organizations), as spaceflight capabilities increase. These include planetary defense (against asteroid, comet, and interstellar interloper impacts [as well as "Earth-grazing" comets, whose dust and ice particles could "sandblast" vital satellites into oblivion]), including detection, tracking, deflection, and--if necessary--fragmentation of the objects, although that is usually a last-ditch, "least bad" option. Another responsibility, as interplanetary travel comes into its own, could be acting as a space "Coast Guard," with rescue, law enforcement, and "freedom of innocent passage" protection responsibilities (perhaps in concert with allied nations' space forces [Japan is starting their own space force], in an Interpol-like collaborative organization). Protecting all nations' right of innocent passage (freedom of navigation) in space would include discouraging and stopping piracy (this sounds very SF, but one day--quite possibly sooner than we think--there will be space piracy, just as there are land, maritime, and airborne forms of piracy, including smuggling of contraband).
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I didn't realize Mr. Ley's book started out at such an early date.
While he didn't get to see Apollo 11, he was alive to witness the next best thing, Apollo 8.

I haven't read up on all the details of the USSF. I didn't know they planned on changing names of the bases. Cape Canaveral Space Force Station doesn't sound too bad now that I roll it around a little. Thanks for the info.
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