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Old 05-20-2022, 12:00 AM
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Good eyes J.JW.

The conical round appears to be a 4:1 (~24-26") cone whereas the ogival round appears to be 5:1 (~30-32").

The even digit ratio for the nose is an arbitrarily vague rounded off simplified value.

With luck I have data for both from other sources.

What information can you squeeze out of this attached photo information for the pic of the Apache being unloaded from the truck?
Almost none, I'm afraid. Other than the date, maybe the UNCL means "Unclassified" (G. Harry Stine wrote in his "Handbook of Model Rocketry"--in the chapter about scale model rockets--that he once bought a Nike rocket motor [he didn't say whether it was live or spent]--which was still classified--for just $10). That's all I can glean from it. Also:

I think--if memory serves--that the standard conical Cajun and Apache nose (seen on most Nike-Cajun, Nike-Apache, and Bullpup-Cajun [and/or Bullpup-Apache] rounds) was an 11 degree cone, although one of Peter Alway's "Rockets of the Word"-depicted Keweenaw Rocket Range (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keweenaw_Rocket_Range ) Nike-Cajun or Nike-Apache rounds had an oversized (9" diameter, with a 3:1 tangent ogive nose) Tomahawk payload cylinder. The Nike-ASP rockets that NASA used for a while also had the 6.5" diameter, Cajun/Apache-type conical nose on the ASP second stage. (I've also seen, in an old NASA Wallops release, a picture of a Nike-Tomahawk with a sub-caliber, 6.5" diameter Cajun or Apache payload cylinder, topped by an 11 degree Cajun/Apache conical nose.
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Old 05-20-2022, 12:29 AM
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Charles,

There was an HONEST JOHN NIKE TOMAHAWK . . . https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_...ke_tomahawk.htm

However, Data is SCARCE . . . Naturally, I can supply data on both the HONEST JOHN and the NIKE TOMAHAWK . . . I am 99.9% sure that the Interstage Adapter for the HONEST JOHN to NIKE motor would be the same one used on the ARGO D-4 JAVELIN ( which I can also supply ).

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I've seen two versions of actual (photographed on their launchers) Honest John-Nike-Tomahawk rockets. One was the same configuration as the one on Gunter Kreb's website; it had an M-50 Honest John first stage, a regular Nike (with trapezoidal fins) second stage, and a Tomahawk third stage that had the same fin assembly as the single-stage D-Region Tomahawk. (Many if not all of the two-stage Taurus-Tomahawk vehicles [the Taurus was/is the M-50 Honest John] also used the D-Region Tomahawk-type "faceted" fin can with the dual-swept fins--the fins' trailing edges were also swept back, unlike with the "standard" Nike-Tomahawks' Tomahawk fins, whose trailing edges were un-swept). Also:

The other "style" of Honest John-Nike-Tomahawk was simply a "standard" Nike-Tomahawk, boosted by an M-31 Honest John (some may have used the M-50 Honest John [the Taurus], due to the exhaustion of supply--or the over-aging--of M-31 Honest John motors).
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