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Old 05-04-2021, 02:01 PM
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OK. Interesting paint mystery.

I just put a couple of coats of pricey automotive lacquer on my Estes PS2 "Sahara."

It fogged up a bit, which is something that happens in high humidity and not alarming. Drying in a hot place, or buffing, gets rid of the haze. I'm planning on polishing and buffing before the clear coat goes on anyway.

But look at the stripes in the haze on my Sahara. . . . pictures 1 and 2. Shiny, haze-free stripes, around the tube in two places, and leading forward from the fin.

What's happening there?

I know why what's happening is happening *there*, but not *why.*

The ring-shaped spots are where the plywood centering rings are that support the interior motor mount tube. The stripe leading up the tube is on the other side of the basswood strip you see inside, as seen in photo #3.

It is a long known "thing" that some adhesives shrink a bit as the dry or cure. This can cause a very, very slight drawing in and flattening of the body tube over an interior piece.

But given that, why is the haze avoiding those spots?
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:13 PM
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OK. Interesting paint mystery.

I just put a couple of coats of pricey automotive lacquer on my Estes PS2 "Sahara."

It fogged up a bit, which is something that happens in high humidity and not alarming. Drying in a hot place, or buffing, gets rid of the haze. I'm planning on polishing and buffing before the clear coat goes on anyway.

But look at the stripes in the haze on my Sahara. . . . pictures 1 and 2. Shiny, haze-free stripes, around the tube in two places, and leading forward from the fin.

What's happening there?

I know why what's happening is happening *there*, but not *why.*

The ring-shaped spots are where the plywood centering rings are that support the interior motor mount tube. The stripe leading up the tube is on the other side of the basswood strip you see inside, as seen in photo #3.

It is a long known "thing" that some adhesives shrink a bit as the dry or cure. This can cause a very, very slight drawing in and flattening of the body tube over an interior piece.

But given that, why is the haze avoiding those spots?


Just a guess, but could it be that the adhesive you used is seeping through the tube
Just Enough to cause the glossy sheen?
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:21 PM
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Just a guess, but could it be that the adhesive you used is seeping through the tube
Just Enough to cause the glossy sheen?


Some background:

Model was built in late 2018.

Primed (Kilz) 2019.

Primer sanded off last month. More primer went on, and mostly sanded off.

Two or three coats of white paint. Waited a week. Another coat or two of white.

Wet sanded and compounded (polishing compound).

So, little chance of any adhesive working its way through!

Something *mechanical" is happening.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:55 PM
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Some background:

Model was built in late 2018.

Primed (Kilz) 2019.

Primer sanded off last month. More primer went on, and mostly sanded off.

Two or three coats of white paint. Waited a week. Another coat or two of white.

Wet sanded and compounded (polishing compound).

So, little chance of any adhesive working its way through!

Something *mechanical" is happening.


Oh. The only other explanation, then, is FM.
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Oh. The only other explanation, then, is FM.

No static at all.
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No static at all.


Maybe not static, but that steely grapefruit wine might make things fuzzy, Dan.
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"The girls don't seem to care..."


Good stuff, however I was thinking more along the lines of 'F****** Magic'.
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The fogged areas are where places on the tube got colder from the sprayed paint and allowed moisture to condense from the air and form on the surface of the paint.

My guess is that more than likely, the areas where the glue is are denser. Therefore, it took 'more' cooling to get them cold enough to condense moisture. In your case, those areas did not get quite cold enough to condense enough moisture to fog the paint.

I stuff the inside of my body tubes with paper towels or whatever to 'insulate' them somewhat. Even though it is on the inside, it helps prevent the tube from getting so cold as to condense moisture out of the air. Well, at least it helps. And here in the south, we need all the help we can get to fight moisture and humidity. It REALLY affects spray painting big time.

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The fogged areas are where places on the tube got colder from the sprayed paint and allowed moisture to condense from the air and form on the surface of the paint.

My guess is that more than likely, the areas where the glue is are denser. Therefore, it took 'more' cooling to get them cold enough to condense moisture. In your case, those areas did not get quite cold enough to condense enough moisture to fog the paint.

I stuff the inside of my body tubes with paper towels or whatever to 'insulate' them somewhat. Even though it is on the inside, it helps prevent the tube from getting so cold as to condense moisture out of the air. Well, at least it helps. And here in the south, we need all the help we can get to fight moisture and humidity. It REALLY affects spray painting big time.

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Interesting! That sounds reasonable.

It is getting sunny. I think I will relocate the parts up to my balcony.
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