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Old 10-12-2020, 11:57 PM
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Default New Estes 1/200 NASA SLS coming soon!

My local hobby shop got some more info from their distributor:
#2206 1/200 NASA SLS. No pic, desc, or price yet. Due in December 2020.

Will be very similar in style to the Ready-to-Fly 1/200 Saturn V (#2160) that is already available. Was shown in prototype form at the virtual NARAM manufacturer's forum back in July.

Also, the Saturn V Skylab and Saturn 1B kits are due in November 2020.
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:38 AM
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My local hobby shop got some more info from their distributor:
#2206 1/200 NASA SLS. No pic, desc, or price yet. Due in December 2020.

Will be very similar in style to the Ready-to-Fly 1/200 Saturn V (#2160) that is already available. Was shown in prototype form at the virtual NARAM manufacturer's forum back in July.

Also, the Saturn V Skylab and Saturn 1B kits are due in November 2020.

The Skylab SV and the 1b available for preorder on SDandSC.com as discovered by TRF member tjgray693599. Both are on Jonrocket but currently unavailable...
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Old 10-30-2020, 09:53 PM
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More info on the Estes NASA SLS. It has appeared in the current issue of Sport Rocketry (Nov/Dec2020), inside front cover. You can read the description of it there. Suggested retail price is the same as the 1/200 Saturn V....$69.99. I'm sure places like AC Supply will have a special price for it.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:52 PM
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The Estes SLS (Senate Launch System) will fly well before the real one does, if it ever flies.
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Even if the real SLS flies someday, it's fugly.
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The Estes SLS (Senate Launch System) will fly well before the real one does, if it ever flies.


It still really ticks me off that they are spending tens of billions of dollars to re-create the heavy lift capability that we had with Saturn V and simply abandoned .
NASA has shown a dramatic lack of ability to reduce the cost of a pound of payload to LEO - when corrected for inflation and after accounting for overhead costs, the Space Shuttle was no better than the Saturn V (and remember, the goal during it's development was an order of magnitude reduction), and SLS appears to be much worse if it ever actually becomes operational.

I'll probably pick up one of the SLS RTF, but it'll never become iconic like the Saturn V.
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It still really ticks me off that they are spending tens of billions of dollars to re-create the heavy lift capability that we had with Saturn V and simply abandoned .
NASA has shown a dramatic lack of ability to reduce the cost of a pound of payload to LEO - when corrected for inflation and after accounting for overhead costs, the Space Shuttle was no better than the Saturn V (and remember, the goal during it's development was an order of magnitude reduction), and SLS appears to be much worse if it ever actually becomes operational.

I'll probably pick up one of the SLS RTF, but it'll never become iconic like the Saturn V.

The late 60s budget cuts (had to pay for the war and Medicaid and Medicare somehow - Great Societies ain’t cheap ya know) compounded by President Nixon’s political problems pushing him to cut the budget pretty much meant the Saturn didn’t have a chance of survival. Would’ve been a whole lot cheaper and safer to continue building and developing the Saturn systems for follow on Apollo, earth orbit and Mars mission than what we did - the STS was a lousy compromise in place of an actual space program. Not that the Shuttle wasn’t an amazing achievement considering the limitations NASA had imposed on them along with the self-imposed institutional sclerosis. But, if the STS hadn’t been the disappointment it was, would we have the renaissance of private space exploration? Counterfactuals are so much fun...if only President Eisenhower hadn’t had such a strong aversion to a military space program led by ex-Nazi scientists think how different it could’ve happened...

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Old 10-31-2020, 04:39 PM
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The late 60s budget cuts (had to pay for the war and Medicaid and Medicare somehow - Great Societies ain’t cheap ya know) compounded by President Nixon’s political problems pushing him to cut the budget pretty much meant the Saturn didn’t have a chance of survival. Would’ve been a whole lot cheaper and safer to continue building and developing the Saturn systems for follow on Apollo, earth orbit and Mars mission than what we did - the STS was a lousy compromise in place of an actual space program. Not that the Shuttle wasn’t an amazing achievement considering the limitations NASA had imposed on them along with the self-imposed institutional sclerosis. But, if the STS hadn’t been the disappointment it was, would we have the renaissance of private space exploration? Counter factual s are so much fun...if only President Eisenhower hadn’t had such a strong aversion to a military space program led by ex-Nazi scientists think how different it could’ve happened...


Yes, the socio-political ins and outs sorrounding the early space race through to our moon landings is almost as interesting as the purely technical and engineering aspects of the program.

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It still really ticks me off that they are spending tens of billions of dollars to re-create the heavy lift capability that we had with Saturn V and simply abandoned .
NASA has shown a dramatic lack of ability to reduce the cost of a pound of payload to LEO - when corrected for inflation and after accounting for overhead costs, the Space Shuttle was no better than the Saturn V (and remember, the goal during it's development was an order of magnitude reduction), and SLS appears to be much worse if it ever actually becomes operational.

I'll probably pick up one of the SLS RTF, but it'll never become iconic like the Saturn V.


It's more understandable if you look at the SLS (and the shuttle) as a government employment program desinged to employ 15000 to 30000 folks as contractors and direct NASA employees and give the legacy aerospace companies and easy sinecure.

Grift and Graft.
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Totally agree with the "Grift and Graft" assessment.
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