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Old 01-06-2015, 10:28 PM
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The entertainment industry is toying with the idea of having a black man play the part of James Bond. Personally, the only man for the part was Sean Connery...but that's just me. So I got to thinking...hmmmm, a black 007. Sure, why not?

I nominate Samuel L. Jackson! He's got plenty of "cool" , a commanding screen presence and is a sharp dresser. I'd change the name though.

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Sean Connery ia THEE James Bond, but I find Daniel Craig a VERY GOOD second place.
All the others are FAR inferior, with the Pierce Brosnan movies being the worst by far.

1) Sean Connery
2) Daniel Craig
3) tie - Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton
5) George Lazenby
147) Pierce Brosnan

I find a black James Bond as ridiculous as a Black Annie or a White Axel Foley. Nonsense.

Daniel Craig is on contract for at least 3 more Bond films including the upcoming SPECTRE.
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I think it makes about as much sense as a white guy playing Shaft.
I think some of the iconic roles are color-specific.
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Old 01-07-2015, 12:31 AM
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All true, but just imagine......"What's in your wallet, mutha******?"
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I'm a character purest myself.

Same reason I boycotted "Wild West". I like Will Smith as an actor but, James West is a white guy.
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Sean Connery ia THEE James Bond, but I find Daniel Craig a VERY GOOD second place.
All the others are FAR inferior, with the Pierce Brosnan movies being the worst by far.

1) Sean Connery
2) Daniel Craig
3) tie - Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton
5) George Lazenby
147) Pierce Brosnan

I find a black James Bond as ridiculous as a Black Annie or a White Axel Foley. Nonsense.

Daniel Craig is on contract for at least 3 more Bond films including the upcoming SPECTRE.


Exactly... if they want to flush the franchise, this is probably a great idea...

Then again, considering MOST of the movies out there and what tripe they are...

Oh well...

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1) Sean Connery
2) Roger Moore
3) Daniel Craig
4) Pierce Brosnan/Timothy Dalton
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6) George Lazenby
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1) Sean Connery
2) Roger Moore
3) Daniel Craig
4) Pierce Brosnan/Timothy Dalton
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6) George Lazenby


What, no David Niven?

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1) Sean Connery
2) Roger Moore
3) Daniel Craig
4) Pierce Brosnan/Timothy Dalton
5)
6) George Lazenby


I'd pretty much agree with that ranking... though I think I'd put Dalton above Brosnan by a nose... Dalton was kind of "ahead of his time" in wanting to portray Bond much more similar to Fleming's books portrayal of him... a "troubled soul" doing an important but actually pretty awful job. Thing is, coming on the heels of nearly 2 decades of Roger Moore's slick-n-funny portrayal of Bond, it was too abrupt of a change. That, and Dalton made Bond a little TOO "hard edged"... Dalton always seemed to be just plain angry in the part... like he was about half a heartbeat from putting his head through a brick wall. Had he toned it down a bit and played up the romantic scenes and what little comedy or lighthearted moments were in his movies, I think it would have worked MUCH better. As it was, he seemed to really push the angry, vengeful side of the character and downplayed the lighthearted or romantic side as if it were something to be endured and done with as quickly as possible instead of relished...

Brosnan's portrayal of Bond was excellent, for the most part, but his take on the character was much more in keeping with Roger Moore's... super-slick, super-cool secret agent type wisecracking and charming his way through everything... couple that with some awful writing and stories, and the Brosnan films rapidly became almost as much a parody of Bond as "Austin Powers" movies were, ESPECIALLY at the last. It's really a shame that they didn't have better stories/writing for Brosnan, because he could have REALLY made some great films instead of merely mediocre ones. His first film was definitely the best; it was all downhill from there.

Daniel Craig's films have been a mixed bag. I like his portrayal of the character-- I'd put it closer to Sean Connery's than any of the others... I think that Dalton was TRYING to take it back to a more "Sean Connery-esque" type Bond, but where Sean Connery was hard edged AND charming/lighthearted/joking (where proper), Dalton just came across as hard edged and perpetually PO'd with little/no charm or sense of humor to endear him to the audience. Craig's Bond is similar, but he has a charm and sense of humor Dalton's Bond never had, which is why I think he works very well as Bond. "Casino Royale" was well written and well played, "Quantum of Solace" not so much... weak villian, poor story, but it had some interesting moments... "Skyfall" was very good, much more like "Casino Royale", if a bit "over the top" at times. Craig has played the character very well and very nuanced and given us more character development and character growth than I think any of the other actors have... of course part of that is the writing, because, as they say-- "if it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage..."

Sean Connery and Roger Moore were studies in opposites... yet both worked in their times... Sean Connery is of course THE James Bond... and his interpretation of the character basically established the character for the audience and for the entire film series, in large part. Connery just "nailed it" because he "WAS James Bond"... After the brief appearance of Lazenby followed by his rapid departure, and Connery's return to the role for "Diamonds are Forever", Roger Moore came into the films in an entirely different style, and for an entirely new decade ready for "something different". He carried it off perfectly, and his comedic style was spot-on: not comedic to the point of being farcical, but more of a "wry humor" that just fit with the "over the top" type blockbuster scripts that were made during Moore's tenure as Bond. He just balanced the character very well and was believable and charming as well as humorous. I'd rank Brosnan's Bond as VERY similar to Moore's-- the main difference being, that Moore had excellent stories to portray the character in, even if they were "over the top", while the stories Brosnan's Bond was in were almost farcical and pretty weak; they started off strong and simply went down a death spiral IMHO.

Lazenby's performance in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" was good, IMHO; he played the more sensitive side of the character very well, and he was charming and had a decent sense of humor that was well balanced. He was rather weaker on the "dangerous" side of the character, however, which is an essential part of Bond. His characterization of Bond I would say is almost 180 degrees apart from Dalton's... Where Dalton's Bond had a VERY hard razor edge to him to the point of perpetually seeming "PO'd at the world", with little/no humor or charm, Lazenby's Bond, like Moore's, had tons of charm and humor, but he didn't seem particularly capable or "dangerous". Part of that is again, the story and writing in the script he was handed to be sure. Had Lazenby done more films, we might well have seen a "harder edge" to his Bond than we saw in "OHMSS"... Unfortunately, Lazenby went a little crazy after the filming was completed-- he thought he had the world (and the producers) by the tail and could do pretty much anything he wanted, because "he was Bond" and that he was irreplaceable. After futzing up the pre-release publicity tour of his film, turning very "hippie" (remember this was 1969) and refusing to cooperate with the production company in publicity and appearing very "anti-establishment" against the folks writing his paychecks and holding his contract, Lazenby was quietly dropped from the role and never given another film. Connery was lured back with a LOT of money (all of which he gave to charity IIRC) for "Diamonds are Forever" and then swore "never again", which led to the comedic title of Irvin Kershner's production of Kevin McClory's story rights to "Thunderball", which was remade with Sean Connery in the starring role as James Bond with Kim Basinger in "Never Say Never Again". After decades of court battles over the rights to the "Thunderball" story, McClory got his 'remake' and attempted to hi-jack the Bond franchise from Eon productions and the Broccoli's. His efforts failed though and the Bond franchise itself was FINALLY declared the sole property of Eon productions during the long hiatus between Dalton's Bond films and Brosnan's films IIRC... That's why we have TWO "Thunderball's" separated by almost 20 years.

It'll be interesting to see where the films go from here. Craig is still on board for another couple films AFAIK, and he's been doing well with them. The "reboot" of Bond launched with Craig's "Casino Royale" has been pretty good... not as good as Casino Royale, but pretty strong nonetheless (especially considering how BADLY MOST reboots SUCK, ala "Abrams-Trek").

Considering how much flak there was over the casting of Daniel Craig (a BLONDE Bond??!!) and the uproar it caused among the fans, a "black Bond" would really enrage a lot of the core audience, IMHO. As someone else said, it makes about as much sense as a white "Shaft" or something, or a white "George Jefferson"... (and yes I know that show was spun off "All in the Family" as Archie Bunker's "nemesis"... It would be an EXCEEDINGLY STUPID move for the producers to do something like that... no matter how "PC" it might be...

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