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I agree that these models could be made flight worthy. Looking at the instruction I can see some parts that one could leave out to lighten the models up.
Here is a scan of the Vostok instruction: http://www.oldrocketplans.com/mpc/m...0/mpc3-0700.pdf |
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My talks with some folks at Estes indicates they simply make new molds now when they adopt an old part. I suspect they not only benefit from non-damaged molds (ie. screwdriver damaged Alpha from the 90's). As a side effect they get reduced labor cost mold makers which they can translate to more cavities and substantially reduced part cost. Jerry |
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Just as well that Quest does not have the molds. Flying the Vostok on their C6-3 would be a disaster, so they might never have rereleased that kit for liability reasons. Did I say I hate motors with the same designation but different thrust curves from competing manufacturers? Makes life difficult explaining to newbies why they cannot fly that model with that motor...it is the laws of physics, not a bias in the club range rules in favor of E**** or against Q****... It is often easiest to just trade them an E* motor for their Q* one. I had the Vostok in a previous life. Like the review said, even a thin mylar chute was tight in that small body tube. My oversized flight fins were molded in white plastic instead of clear. I know of a place which has one of the old kits for sale. Not on sale as he wanted much more for it than I could justify paying. As an aside, Round 2 is the company which is doing the reissue of the old AMT Man in Space set, so they see money to be made in bringing back old kits. Bill
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I think they would sell if done right. As Jerry said about weight issues and flying on early C engines, motor technology as well as manufacturing has improved. I also guess there are several like myself that wanted one as a kid but never got one.
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Lot cheaper to make molds today with 5 axis cnc mills and wire/sinker edm's too. Lot of molds are still made here and sent overseas to manufacture parts.
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I had one of the MPC Vostok kit's....the mylar chute barely fit the tube...and after the first flight on a C6-3 , i used the Cox D8-3 exclusively but never flew it in high winds....
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I'm looking forward to both of these, from both plastic-kit builder and flyer perspectives. They look like an interesting challenge, and I'm curious to see how well they fly. I'm hoping Round 2 brings them to fruition.
Unless they invest in all new tooling (which I have the sneaking suspicion they won't, as the profit margin on these may not justify it), we're likely to see the same weight and issues of the original kits with regard to the plastic. The original tooling wouldn't likely be applicable to alternative materials. Molds for ABS injection molding are pretty finely-tuned to just one material. It'll all have to wait until we see test shots, though. That they only had a placeholder box for display tells me they probably haven't been able to properly assess the state of the tooling, and might have just been doing it to generate some more buzz for Round 2 overall than specifically for those two kits. If they were in the same hands that I found a lot of orphan 60's/70's model kit tooling, I'm not certain there's a guarantee the useable state of them. That era's tooling was durable, quality stuff. But it can suffer over the years if it isn't regularly tended to.
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An update: I received this message from Mat Irvine over at space models group.
Only the Vostok was on show, and as an original issue. I suspect Sven has it somewhere on his 'site, and it's on page 46 of Creating Space. Also by "new" I assume you mean "new reissue" as the kits were first issued in 1970. mat Mat Irvine I'm not sure how to find Sven site but if someone knows of this site please tell me how to get there. So now my hopes of this kit being reissue is a good possible. |
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