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Old 03-14-2014, 05:01 PM
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That is why I don't sell on eBay any more. To many dirtbags trying to rip you off. Fortunately, after my last "bad" incident, eBay did monitor the guy and remove the bad feedback he gave me.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:09 PM
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Was this the same guy that used to be under the "More Rockets" handle ?

I don't think so. He's still out there selling overpriced clones.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:27 PM
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Was this the same guy that used to be under the "More Rockets" handle ?


No the more rockets guy was stealing the artwork from Ray at Inflight and using it in his own clones. He was also doing that with a couple other peoples artwork in here as well.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:35 PM
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No the more rockets guy was stealing the artwork from Ray at Inflight and using it in his own clones. He was also doing that with a couple other peoples artwork in here as well.

His lawyer should be in touch any day now.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:39 PM
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Oh I forgot about that. That's ok Jeffery Fieger is local. We will use him
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Old 03-14-2014, 08:09 PM
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Gotta love those Geoff Fieger ads.
I will always remember him as Kevorkian's attorney.
He looks like he uses a weed-wakker for his haircuts.
You have heard of a "hair-do", that's a "hair-don't" !
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:15 PM
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Ethics and morals aside (that all speaks for it's self) and even after going through the entire publishing process, I'm still no expert on copyright law but I do know that merely claiming you have one, or putting a few sentences on your website, as opposed to filing the proper official paperwork and paying the fees and maintaining everything, ain't quite the same thing and if you haven't done all of that, you don't have one that will hold up in court. I spoke at length to a lawyer about it and he said it wasn't that hard to tweak anything just enough, to make it something "you" did, and now it's yours even though it's plain what has taken place. Not to mention parodies. Remember Daystrom ranting about "building on my work" and coming unglued? Even in the 23rd century you have to have a copyright.

When I settled on what I wanted to go with in our book, I contacted David at Sirius and we exchanged several emails, talked a time or two on the phone and when I had enough of the draft together for him to get the feel of the story line and when he agreed, I sent the proper paperwork and he returned it to me to send to the publisher for all associations with Sirius, his artwork and his name. David isn't the only one but you get the idea.

I was told, it is slightly different for the internet but not that much. It's not that difficult nor expensive on a small scale i.e. a book or website but it takes more than 30 seconds and it isn't entirely free and at some point it shows up in D.C. and anyone can look it up, although I have been told under current conditions it might be 6 months before we could find ours on line. Can you imagine what it would cost if Estes tried to maintain everything they have done or acquired? John Boren mention something about that today.

Even if there were no such thing as a copyright, I still would have done it the way we did. For 10,000 reasons, you don't just take someone's artwork or whatever. I put hundreds of hours into writing and rewriting, contacting people, working with all aspects of it, and had to learn in baby steps how things are done. I now fully understand why people are so guarded and protective of their work. It may not be much to anyone else but it is their blood, sweat and tears and most importantly, their life. You don't get those hours back and they mean something, if only to you.

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Old 03-14-2014, 09:34 PM
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My ebay photos and listing texts get ripped off quite frequently. It frosts my butt to no end, but I live with it.

They usually don't expect it, but I ALWAYS confront the copycats. Sometimes they're apologetic and they immediately change it, sometimes they get defensive (a reaction to being caught, I suppose,) and then there's the ones that reply: "I only copy from the best!"

It's only the last one that infuriates me.

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Old 03-14-2014, 10:21 PM
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You should have patented the design if you feel that strongly about it. Copyright is not going to do you much other than maybe the actual instructions, the example art photo, website photos.

No I am not the guy selling...I'm just saying.

I doubt he will go far selling anything with his rating on eBay anyway.


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Old 03-15-2014, 01:23 PM
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The most recent exchange:

Sent Date: Mar-13-14 23:30:23 PDT

Dear 2014_snark,

I'm Jay Goemmer, and I designed the original "Tau Zero" rocket for Carl McLawhorn of SEMROC. I see that you are selling an upscale recreation of my original design.

My only question is, why are you profiting from my creation?

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Sent Date: Mar-14-14 23:23:20 PDT

Dear centuriguy,

Just curious, how old are you and when did you design it?

- 2014_snark

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Dear 2014_snark,

I'm 52, and Semroc still carried it in stock until just recently.

- centuriguy
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