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Old 10-02-2015, 07:53 AM
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On a positive note, we've flipped off the EPA in recent years producing big horsepower in small engines and still running 87 octane! Thanks to EPA regs, the famous Bandit Trans Am of the late 70's began with a pitiful 6.6L or 6.7L...can't remember (400 ci) that produced 180 hp and finally bumped up a little over 200 hp before the big block run ended. Today we have the little Mustang 5.0L (302 ci) pumping out 435 hp and 400 lb/ft of torque on pump gas! In order to get that kind of hp, you have to burn a lot of fuel no matter how efficient the engine is. The Mustang gets great highway mileage, but when the pedal gets stomped and the hp climbs, the injectors dump a lot of fuel in the cylinders! Those Mopar Hemi's can boast similar feats along with some of the LS engines. We get those great EPA mileage numbers on the window sticker, but nobody drives those beasts like grandma and actually gets those numbers.
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Old 10-02-2015, 09:12 AM
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We get those great EPA mileage numbers on the window sticker, but nobody drives those beasts like grandma and actually gets those numbers.
And no one who bought one of those cares about those fuel mileage numbers

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Old 10-02-2015, 10:36 AM
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Sounds like someone needs to follow another money trail. Who would benefit?
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:25 PM
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My little 2.0L (122CID) GDI Turbo DOHC CVVT in my HHR SS has 300hp with a tune and 260hp stock.
That is 150hp/litre (61CID) or 2.45hp/CI which is the highest of any engine ever offered by GM including the mighty LS9 in the ZR1 that gets 650hp out of 6.2L.

My brother has a buddy that has an HHR SS that has 1250hp out of his engine with a 250hp shot of Nitrous. His block has been extensively modified and displaces 3.2L now, but at any rate, a 3.2L 4cyl turbo putting out 1000 dyno-proven horsepower at 30+lbs of boost is SERIOUS.

Regardless of all this, if I was in charge, I would completely SHUT DOWN the EPA by refusing to sign a budget that appropriates one thin red cent to fund their operation. Total Nuisance agency. NOT JOKING.
I don't even like the ban on leaded automotive fuel. Light aviation STILL runs heavily (2gr/gal) leaded fuel and I LIIIIIIKE IT !
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:18 PM
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EPA has expanded what they consider pollutants so they can regulate them. (Read compel, fine, mandate).

It is largely about sulfur in diesel being targeted by EPA for reduction. The biggest and most practical change was reformulating diesel at the refinery level. All the vehicle based mandates are because EPA can, not because there is a cost benefit tradeoff.

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http://www3.epa.gov/airtoxics/orig189.html

http://publicaccess.supportportal.c...rity-Pollutants

http://www.enviroprolabs.com/epa-pr...pollutant-list/


http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/1...-lack-of-budget

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/us/co...ne-river-spill/

From the EPA itself:

http://www2.epa.gov/goldkingmine
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Old 10-02-2015, 05:29 PM
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I remember when VW's used to be cheap econo cars. Now they are significantly more upscale and they are causing 'global warming" or climate change" or whatever it is called now.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:32 PM
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I remember when VW's used to be cheap econo cars. Now they are significantly more upscale and they are causing 'global warming" or climate change" or whatever it is called now.
Just to assure Goodwin's law is invoked, it was designed in part by Adolf Hitler.
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I wish VW would bring back "The Thing" the Rommel edition!
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Scandal? What scandal? I got your scandal right here!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/connca...illion-n1952771
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Old 10-03-2015, 04:49 PM
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Scandal? What scandal? I got your scandal right here!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/connca...illion-n1952771


The bailout was never meant to save the auto industry, it was to payoff BIG UNION.
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