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Old 05-07-2020, 08:14 PM
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Something for your Malemute.

The Talos fins are 5.7 sq.ft.
The Terrier fins are 2.5 sq.ft. Nike fins.

*note that the dimensions are in centimeters.


That's incredible. Were any ever flown? Or was it only proposed? I haven't found any [other] references to them.
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Old 05-07-2020, 09:54 PM
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A couple of "TATERS" . . .

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Old 05-08-2020, 12:02 PM
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That's incredible. Were any ever flown? Or was it only proposed? I haven't found any [other] references to them.


Originally it (and other combinations) were just proposals.

Until some information pops up to prove otherwise you can still build and paint them
as Proposed Sport-Scale.

Interesting note on the real vehicles.....
The TATER-I did not have fins on the Terrier!
Just cone-stabilized like the Recruit stage.
And only a single flight of that version, then they switched to finned Terriers.

The Terrier used Nike-Ajax fins that were clipped at the tip to reduce the sq-ft .
(see RotW drawings of Nike-Nike-Smoke and Nike-Iriquois for clipped fin dimensions)

The Talos fins were redesigned and the subsequent mounting position forced them slightly forward from the aft of the motor case.

Many flights were launched from Wallops under the name "RTE".
Translation "Roll Torque Evaluation".
Essentially they wrapped the re-entry nose cone with "tape" to measure the effects
of high speed re-entry ablation with different shaped tips.
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Old 05-08-2020, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Timm
Originally it (and other combinations) were just proposals.

Until some information pops up to prove otherwise you can still build and paint them
as Proposed Sport-Scale.

Interesting note on the real vehicles.....
The TATER-I did not have fins on the Terrier!
Just cone-stabilized like the Recruit stage.
And only a single flight of that version, then they switched to finned Terriers.

The Terrier used Nike-Ajax fins that were clipped at the tip to reduce the sq-ft .
(see RotW drawings of Nike-Nike-Smoke and Nike-Iriquois for clipped fin dimensions)

The Talos fins were redesigned and the subsequent mounting position forced them slightly forward from the aft of the motor case.

Many flights were launched from Wallops under the name "RTE".
Translation "Roll Torque Evaluation".
Essentially they wrapped the re-entry nose cone with "tape" to measure the effects
of high speed re-entry ablation with different shaped tips.


Very nifty. Thank you very much for posting the info.
I don't fly for competition, but it's neat to learn that a stack I set up isn't entirely fanciful.
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Old 05-08-2020, 01:10 PM
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Happy to help out Charles.
Now you have data to build a few more monsters.
I for one have been living vicariously through your builds.
Keep 'em coming!
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I don't fly for competition, but it's neat to learn that a stack I set up isn't entirely fanciful.


YET, Charles, YET . . .

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YET, Charles, YET . . .


Yep. I'm going to send that Talos Terrier Malemute picture to the Poker Flats Research Range Facebook page and suggest they bolt one together and try it out.

Then it wouldn't be fictional anymore :-)
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Some more combinations for you.
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Some more combinations for you.


Chris & Charles,

Speaking of the ATACMS . . .

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vsl8ggmc..._a0uWs2Xxa?dl=0

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Old 05-11-2020, 09:35 AM
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I keep looking at the Oriole, but it would take a 4" tube at this scale. Not easy to find with Estes EOL'ing the Mega Der Red Max.

The Black Brant needs about 3.25" tube - but if I build one, I'll start with 3" and put an 1/8" printed sleeve over it.
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