Yes, that's right . . . The NFPA is NOT "The LAW" . . .

OK, then, logically, "what is it" ?

( The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) is an international nonprofit organization devoted to eliminating death, injury, property and economic loss due to fire, electrical and related hazards. )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natio...ion_Association

Dave F.

It is an organization that researches and writes codes and standards.


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Correct, so ALL of the NFPA Codes are merely "suggestions", initially.

Dave F.

Until they become part of local codes and laws.

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Neal Miller
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Does anyone know which, if any, states have not adopted any of the NFPA codes for Rocketry ?

Dave F.

Well, the DSM isn’t “law” either but it’s what a court and/or judge will use to decide whether to chuck you in the looney bin 😉

BOTH are annoying NUISANCE "alphabet soup* that we DON'T NEED.
They should be permanently GIVEN THE BOOT.

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Yes, there is such a thing as NORMAL, if you have to ask what is "NORMAL" , you probably aren't !
Failure may not be an OPTION, but it is ALWAYS a POSSIBILITY.
ALL systems are GO for MAYHEM, CHAOS, and HAVOC !

AGREED . . . 100% . . . Along with the BATFE !

Dave F.

The "Fire Codes" are enacted at either the state or local level(city or county) and once enacted they have the force of law. SO, yeah, the NFPA codes are the LAW. Are all laws, administrative rules and regulations always followed or adhered to 100% of the time, the answer is obviously not.


I know that Rocketry is regulated in whole or part by the FAA,CPSC,DOT,NFPA on at least the federal level; a number of states like mine, Kentucky actually passed a law in 1980 that exempted model rocketry from the fireworks law . Connecticut passed a model rocketry law in 1963. Michigan in 1965-66.

The NFPA 1122 was a way for ALL 50 states to have a Uniform Model Rocketry law across all 50 states. Instead of a mismatch of rules and regulations. Look at Kalifornia. They are the only state in the union that has its own State-level fire codes. They pick and choose and cut and paste from the various fire codes and make their own. Look how well that has worked out. At one time in the late 60's Kalifornia outright banned model rocketry! Cities and municipalities were banning model rocketry into the 70's.

So the NAR did the smart thing. Instead of opposing the NFPA and creating an all out war with the NFPA, who had massive political clout, they decided to work from within the NFPA, which is what GH Stine did. He had the NFPA create a technical rocketry committee within the NFPA , made up of the rocketry manufacturers and others and they created the framework thatwe have today. In fact for the first about 10 years, GH Stine led that committee.


Is it perfect? No. Does it change with the times? Yes, which is a good thing as new technologies came on board.


In the late 60's the NAR outright banned Vashon cold propellant motors on the grounds that the model was primarily made out of metal. Vashon went around the NAR and went direct to the FAA where the FAA said, we don't have any problems with it. So the NAR reversed their decision .....

The NAR initially opposed High Power Rocketry from the late 70's through the early 90's ....They threatened to kick people out who participated. But the NAR and TRA got together and created 1125 and 1127. They joined forces again against the BATFE over APCP being an explosive.

what specifically don't you like about NFPA 1122,1125 and 1127? What specifically are the NFPA fire codes doing that you don't like? Are you also against the CPSC laws? FAA laws? DOT laws? How exactly are the current NFPA fire codes holding you back from doing what it is you want to do in rocketry?

The funny thing is that millions of Estes model rockets are sold countrywide year in and year out.....and 99.99999999% of them are clueless that there are even NFPA fire codes.

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If you had read more closely, you would have seen that I said that the NFPA Codes are not, in and of themselves, the "Law" ( note my use of the word "initially", in my SECOND post ).

Since they are NOT written by a "law-making agency", they are not "Law", unless they are adopted by individual States.

This implies that States have the "option" to adopt them, or not. If they do adopt them, they become part of State Law, not Federal Law.

Hence, I asked if anyone had facts on which states, if any, DID NOT adopt the NFPA Codes ( I knew about the "BS" in California ).

CPSC laws ? Too much "Nanny Oversight" ( Like banning the Estes / Cox X-15, years ago ).

DOT Laws ? I don't think that ANYONE likes "HAZMAT" fees.

FAA ? I have no "issue" with them.

BTW - You left out the "BATFE" . . .

Dave F.