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Old 11-17-2021, 01:59 PM
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Exclamation Estes Outlander

Currently working on an Estes Outlander clone, using some 3D parts.
24mm power, a little stretch for some stability..........Somehow try to eliminate the hokey rubber tube and ball hinge design. Gonna be interesting. Not much information or flight videos about them.....................hmmmm Me thinks this is going to be hard.


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Old 11-17-2021, 02:21 PM
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Currently working on an Estes Outlander clone, using some 3D parts.
24mm power, a little stretch for some stability..........Somehow try to eliminate the hokey rubber tube and ball hinge design. Gonna be interesting. Not much information or flight videos about them.....................hmmmm Me thinks this is going to be hard.


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I still have mine downstairs, but have never been able to get interested in the project. Back in 2005-06ish I attended a NARCON where they had an upscale in the registration area. Don't remember whose project it was, but I think it was one of the guys from Scott's club. How about it, LTV Scout?
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Old 11-17-2021, 02:30 PM
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Those things make an Estes Mars Lander seem LIGHT.
Aerotech D24 minimum power. I wouldn't even bother with an Estes D12.
Most of the originals CRASHED on C6-3's if there was even a hint of wind.
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I still have mine downstairs, but have never been able to get interested in the project. Back in 2005-06ish I attended a NARCON where they had an upscale in the registration area. Don't remember whose project it was, but I think it was one of the guys from Scott's club. How about it, LTV Scout?

Ya, it was a WOOSH member that made that but I forgot which one and have also forgot how it flew. 16 years ago is a long time!
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Old 11-17-2021, 04:23 PM
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Ya, it was a WOOSH member that made that but I forgot which one and have also forgot how it flew. 16 years ago is a long time!

I've still got my pics somewhere at home, but as someone once said "16 years ago is a long time."
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Old 11-17-2021, 04:28 PM
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Those things make an Estes Mars Lander seem LIGHT.
Aerotech D24 minimum power. I wouldn't even bother with an Estes D12.
Most of the originals CRASHED on C6-3's if there was even a hint of wind.

Yeah, I opened mine, but before I could start building I read a bunch of iffy reviews. Kinda took the wind out of my sails. I keep looking at it and thinking that someone else would probably be better off trying it. I crash enough.
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Old 11-17-2021, 05:10 PM
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Comrades:

To the surprise of none of you, I was going to convert one to a Russian Lander by substituting the blow-molded Apollo capsule-looking part with a Vostok-looking part made of a balloon covered with nylon stocking and epoxy resin.

But as GH noted, as I worked through the design, I also believed it to be underpowered so the project was set aside . . . .

Long_Gone needs to post build pictures. As the kids say: "Pics or it didn't happen."
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Old 11-17-2021, 06:52 PM
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Those things fly about as well as a manhole cover.
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Old 11-17-2021, 08:45 PM
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I remember it well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXR0y4p5cB4

From the WOOSH President (Scott Gobel (sp?)) at the time:
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When I introduced the project I wanted folks to have some basic understanding of what it is we were about to do. Sure, some of the people on the field were itchin' for us to push the button and get it over with but if you didn't understand what the flight plan was then how would you know if we were successful?
The rocket was unlike any basic 3FNC rocket by a large margin.
We actually ran the Estes model in a windtunnel to figure out where the CG had to be in order to guarantee stability. Who does that?
The thing came down in four sections, each under their own parachute.
The little nosecone you see on top of Brad Deimels' head weighed 22 lbs. alone.
It had to have it's own parachute.
We debated a recovery plan over and over again and when we settled on what we did we had confidence that the rocket would recover as planned.

Yes, the saucer section staging was completely under the control of the Wireless remote control. The first event on the WRC was to stage the saucer, the second event on that handheld unit was to pop the chutes on the saucer. The saucer also had a Gwiz MC onboard to automatically control the chute deployment. If anything had gone wrong during the initial boost the man on that WRC would have fired the parachute deployment charge and skip igniting the K510 in the saucer. By the way the saucer also had two separation charges built into the bottom of it to push it off the booster. They were wired to fire along with the saucer motor.
The Outlander booster had it's electronics inside one of the large tanks on the side of the craft. This also held a WRC and a Gwiz MC. Plus a PET 2 timer. The Timer was supposed to fire the four Cesaroni smoky sam G motors in the horizontal tanks for spin motors. It would have looked cool but I doubt they would have actually spun the rocket much. They never lit, we never investigated why but in subsequent flights using that timer I have found that the darn thing just doesn't work. The WRC and the Gwiz MC were both wired to fire the main parachute charge. One or both worked as planned. I know the guys pressed the button on the WRC but my gut tells me the G wiZ actually fired the pyro charge. There is a pretty long delay in the actuation of a charge when using the WRC. I don't think that they reacted that far in advance to get that deployment to have worked that well. Trust the Gwiz MC is my moto.
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It was a great project. Loved seeing it in person. Man, it WAS a long time ago, wasn't it?
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Old 11-17-2021, 10:25 PM
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I built an Outlander a few years ago. After hearing about Mars Lander performance on a C6-3, I built my Outlander with 24mm mount. I meant to fly it last outing, but I was in a hurry and just took simple rockets to fly.
I have flown my Semroc Mars Lander on D13 reloads in the 18/20 RMS, and it screams off the pad. I built it after getting the 18/20, so I left it with the stock 18mm mount.

The decals for the Outlander are from Tango Papa.
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