How about Nike-Apache with the infrequent usage of a 3-finned Nike booster.

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Chris,

Very interesting . . . I have never seen that configuration before !

Are there any drawings, preferably with dimensions, available ?

Dave F.

I certainly misspoke myself. None of Sud Aviation’s three-stage rocket concepts were successful, but ONERA built several types of three-stage and even four-stage rockets: Antarès (13 flights) and Berenice (12 flights).

Yes--the more physically obvious variations (especially of familiar rockets), the better! At the gate of the Poker Flat Research Range (see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Pok...sclient=gws-wiz ), there is a rather similar Nike-Tomahawk, which has a three-finned Nike booster (with un-cut Nike-Ajax booster fins) and a 4:1--or maybe 5:1, as on the single-stage IQSY Tomahawk--tangent ogive nose (a 3:1 tangent ogive was standard for the Nike-Tomahawk [the single-stage Sandia Tomahawk also used a 3:1 ogive])! I don't know if a Nike-Tomahawk of this particular configuration ever actually flew or not.

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I see them--here on one of *your* websites: http://www.sat-net.com/serra/onera_e.htm . :-) (I know what this is like, and it happens to me, too--when you're working in an "information-rich" subject, it is easy to occasionally forget entire categories of information [I too had forgotten most of the ONERA sounding rockets that you have pictures and drawings of here].) Also:

I'd wager that most if not all of the ONERA vehicles have never been modeled, either--even French scale space modelers, from what I've seen in online articles over the years, seem to have modeled only some of the Sud Aviation "building block" sounding rockets (the Belier, Centaure, Dragon, Dauphin, and Eridan: http://www.sat-net.com/serra/sudav_e.htm ), and Ariane satellite launch vehicle variants. I've never even seen a French scale space modeler-built model of a Veronique or Vesta. (For readers who may be unfamiliar with these, the Veronique [see: http://www.sat-net.com/serra/lrba_e.htm ] was France's first post-World War II [there was pre-WWII and post-German invasion clandestine French sounding rocket work, too: http://www.sat-net.com/serra/eole_f.htm ], hypergolic liquid propellant, sounding rocket; the Vesta was a much-enlarged rocket of similar type [see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Ver...sclient=gws-wiz ].) In addition:

Both the Veronique and the Vesta used Dr. Wolfgang Pilz's unique--but effective--cable launch guide system, in which four steel cables on drums, whose free ends were attached to outrigger struts on the rockets' four fins, unreeled at equal rates as the vehicles rose off the launch pad, the outriggers being explosive bolt-jettisoned when the cables reached their ends. A spring-loaded, or perhaps electro-magnet, cable outrigger attachment system could be used on Veronique and Vesta scale models (the cables could be either thin-gauge enameled magnet wire, Kevlar thread, or even monofilament fishing line)--I wonder what NARAM contest directors would think of this launch guide system? :-) (Seriously, it would make for unique and interesting NAR Super Scale--scale rocket *and* scale launcher--contest entries.)

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Drawing? Yup.
Dimensions? Yup.
Colors? Nope. But an educated guess would suffice until something better comes along.

Speaking of colors, here are two more COLOR photos of a different round.
Can't make out the color of the hidden Nike fin but going off of the launch pic the Apache's black fin is hidden from view so it would be more likely than not that the hidden Nike fin is also black.

The Apache colors (aluminum, magnesium, anodized payload cylinder, mottled steel casing) could easily be eye-balled from other similar Apache's.

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Does that Nike-Apache have a tangent ogive--instead of the standard 11 degree cone--nose? It's hard to tell because of the relatively low resolution of the first (left) photograph, but I don't see the sharp payload cylinder-to-conical nose dividing line; it looks like the curve of a 4:1 or 5:1 tangent ogive, to me. Also:

I'd love to see a model rocket manufacturer (3D printing would enable even a small one to do this, although I'd be perfectly happy if an Estes or Quest did it) offer "constant scale" customizable scale kits (sort of like the Estes "Designers' Special" parts assortment, but for creating multiple rounds of scale model rockets). For example:

It could come with body tubes for creating 18 mm (or 13 mm) motor-powered scale models of single-stage or multi-stage sounding rockets that used Nike, Bullpup, Cajun, Apache, ASP, Iroquois, Javelin III, Hydac, Orion (HAWK and Improved HAWK), Malemute, Tomahawk, and Black Brant rocket motors (the Cajun, Apache, and ASP rocket motors--and the Tomahawk, Javelin III, and Hydac motors--all had identical 'group' diameters [6.5" and 9", respectively], so fewer tube sizes would be needed). Such a "constant scale parts assortment" would also include 3D printed (or injection-molded) nose cones, transition sections, fin cans, and fins (and one-piece fin units, for smaller upper stages such as the Cajun, Apache, ASP, Tomahawk, Javelin III, and Hydac). A builder could depict any round of any of its "covered" sounding rocket types, and:

Another such "constant scale parts assortment" could contain the parts for scale models of sounding rockets that use/used Terrier, Talos, Taurus (M-50 Honest John), Orion (HAWK and Improved HAWK), Black Brant, Nihka, and Improved Malemute rocket motors. In addition:

Still other assortments would enable builders to model any round of all of the Aerobee variants (plus the Astrobee F, which used 15" diameter Aerobee payload sections and noses [conical, and the long Aerobee tangent ogive nose]), the Arcon/Arcas/Boosted Arcas I & II/Super Arcas/Sidewinder- and Sparrow-Arcas/Metroc/Boosted Metroc/Arcturus series, the Canadian Black Brant family, the Indian Rohini sounding rocket series, the French Sud Aviation family of sounding rockets (Belier through Eridan), the British Skylark, Fulmar, Skua, and Petrel rocket families, plus:

There are also the Aries and boosted Aries series (including Conestoga-1, the Aries bought by SSIA--Space Services Inc. of America--and launched from Matagorda Island, Texas in 1982), the Pegasus & Minotaur series, the Athena I & II series, etc., among other families of rocket vehicles (such as the ISAS [Japanese] Kappa, Lambda, and Mu rocket series, and the LTV Scout [the Scout X-1, X-1A, and Scout A through G variants], and the Ford Aeronutronic-built Blue Scout I & II, and Blue Scout Junior). (After typing this last one--the LTV and Ford Aeronutronic Scout series--I have visions of Scott happily chasing and tackling me, like Astro and George Jetson... :-) ) Now:

Who's game for doing this? I would gladly buy such "constant scale parts assortments"--for myself, and as gifts for other "rocket men" (and women) I know--and I'm sure there are many other scale model rocket buffs, around the world as well as in the U.S., who would love to buy them and build their favorite scale subjects using their parts.

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if you go with Deci-scale (1/10), ST-6 and ST-8 works.

https://www.erockets.biz/body-tube-sizes/




I thought there was a 1.5" Pro Series II tube, but misremembered.


Bill

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The conical round appears to be a 4:1 (~24-26") cone whereas the ogival round appears to be 5:1 (~30-32").

The even digit ratio for the nose is an arbitrarily vague rounded off simplified value.

With luck I have data for both from other sources.

What information can you squeeze out of this attached photo information for the pic of the Apache being unloaded from the truck?

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Thank you. I know that I can do this (except for the 3D printing, but I know--and have bought 3D printed rocket parts from--folks who are quite good at it); I'm thinking in terms of parts assortments (that come with the 3D printed scale rocket parts, as well as the body tubes) that even small model rocket companies could sell--I'd gladly buy them.

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