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Old 03-27-2008, 08:48 PM
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Robert, I didn't know there were any releases. It has 5080 stamped into the top section. Does that help with ID'ing this?


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Hi Terry,

The original Sat V by Cox was a plastic kit that the builder had to put together. The stages were in halves and chopped... glue the halves together, then glue the stages together, then paint the model. This was late 1969/early 1970 release. Then in the 1971 time frame, the model came out as a solid one piece pre-painted ready to fly model. Then was re-released later in the early 1990s.

Thank you Initiator for the 90's release numbers ... I had no idea they were so few!

Terry, I would hang onto that model if I were you!

Robert

P.s. Initiator, what were the numbers for the Sat 1B, Space Shuttle America, and Honest John? I know the molds for the Nike Zeus and Little Joe II were supposedly destroyed in the Estes fire?
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:10 PM
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Hi Terry,

The original Sat V by Cox was a plastic kit that the builder had to put together. The stages were in halves and chopped... glue the halves together, then glue the stages together, then paint the model. This was late 1969/early 1970 release. Then in the 1971 time frame, the model came out as a solid one piece pre-painted ready to fly model. Then was re-released later in the early 1990s.

Thank you Initiator for the 90's release numbers ... I had no idea they were so few!

Terry, I would hang onto that model if I were you!

Robert

P.s. Initiator, what were the numbers for the Sat 1B, Space Shuttle America, and Honest John? I know the molds for the Nike Zeus and Little Joe II were supposedly destroyed in the Estes fire?


so is the 2st release early 70's model or the 90-91 version? This looks like it came in one piece

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Old 03-27-2008, 11:05 PM
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:26 PM
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Old 04-02-2008, 12:51 PM
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Hi Terry,

The original Sat V by Cox was a plastic kit that the builder had to put together. The stages were in halves and chopped... glue the halves together, then glue the stages together, then paint the model. This was late 1969/early 1970 release. Then in the 1971 time frame, the model came out as a solid one piece pre-painted ready to fly model. Then was re-released later in the early 1990s.

Thank you Initiator for the 90's release numbers ... I had no idea they were so few!

Terry, I would hang onto that model if I were you!

Robert

P.s. Initiator, what were the numbers for the Sat 1B, Space Shuttle America, and Honest John? I know the molds for the Nike Zeus and Little Joe II were supposedly destroyed in the Estes fire?


I bought a Cox Saturn V kit in the early 1970's and built it. Attached is a picture of the box for the kit.

I don't know the production numbers for the other Cox models. I was only told the production number for the Saturn V. Cox had quite a problem putting the Saturn V back into production. The original had been molded with ABS plastic but they couldn't get ABS to work with the mold in 1990 so they went with styrene plastic.

Cox made test shots of the Nike Zeus in 1988/89 but then Cox President/owner Bill Selzer decided not to release it (I ended up with the test shots ).

Estes never had the Little Joe II molds. The molds were lost/destroyed/worn out back in the 1970s.

I know that Estes made some Nike Zeus test shots back in the late 1990s but decided not to release the model. I do not know if these molds were lost in the fire.

I posted some interesting Cox stories over on The Rocketry Forum several years ago.

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Old 04-02-2008, 01:22 PM
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[QUOTE=Initiator001]I bought a Cox Saturn V kit in the early 1970's and built it. Attached is a picture of the box for the kit.

I don't know the production numbers for the other Cox models. I was only told the production number for the Saturn V. Cox had quite a problem putting the Saturn V back into production. The original had been molded with ABS plastic but they couldn't get ABS to work with the mold in 1990 so they went with styrene plastic.

Cox made test shots of the Nike Zeus in 1988/89 but then Cox President/owner Bill Selzer decided not to release it (I ended up with the test shots ).

Estes never had the Little Joe II molds. The molds were lost/destroyed/worn out back in the 1970s.

I know that Estes made some Nike Zeus test shots back in the late 1990s but decided not to release the model. I do not know if these molds were lost in the fire.

I posted some interesting Cox stories over on The Rocketry Forum several years ago.

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I discussed this issue with Barry several times on bringing back the Cox RTF line, I was told that the molds are not available.

The fire was caused by a neighbor who decided to clear some brush on his property and it got out of hand. The flames headed towards Estes, and their motor storage building was destroyed.

I also understand that any molds in Penrose were not kept in good condition, so, many of the molds for the classics are certainly not available.

Also, from what I understand, Cox got out of the rocketry business because of major problems with their motor producing machines. They had a big sale , and the line was history.

RD

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Old 04-02-2008, 09:35 PM
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So, my brother had a Saturn IV displayed for years (more like decades). One day, he tells me to take it home. I do and display it. Then he tells me to bring it with me the next time we launch. I honestly didn't expect to launch it, but he sure wanted to. Did Estes make a Saturn IV replica? His has Estes 'chutes, as pictured. I always assumed that it was one of theirs.





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Old 04-03-2008, 12:12 PM
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Also, from what I understand, Cox got out of the rocketry business because of major problems with their motor producing machines. They had a big sale , and the line was history.

RD



Cox exited the model rocket market after a deadly fire at their motor making facility which killed at least one employee.

The family of the employee who was killed sued Cox. It went to court and the verdict went against Cox. Interesting note: One of the jurors on the trial was Martin Bowitz, currently President of NAR Section 430, Southern California Rocket Association (SCRA). Martin will tell you the details if you ever meet him.

Bob
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:29 PM
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One of the jurors on the trial was Martin Bowitz, currently President of NAR Section 430, Southern California Rocket Association (SCRA).
So that explains this URL (that Fred S sometimes posts): home.earthlink.net/~mebowitz/safety.pdf

I always wondered who mebowitz was

Doug


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Old 05-07-2008, 08:51 PM
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Folks:

1st $60 gets this fine model. The $60 includes shipping and handling.

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